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		<title>By: karmatiger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[xsikal~

You mean &quot;uninterested&quot;, not &quot;disinterested&quot;. Disinterested means impartial. uninterested means not interested.

Unless you meant Twilight fans are &quot;extremely impartial&quot; to the rest of the &#039;con, rather than &quot;extremely not interested&quot; ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xsikal~</p>
<p>You mean &#8220;uninterested&#8221;, not &#8220;disinterested&#8221;. Disinterested means impartial. uninterested means not interested.</p>
<p>Unless you meant Twilight fans are &#8220;extremely impartial&#8221; to the rest of the &#8216;con, rather than &#8220;extremely not interested&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: anastasianoel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nerd culture will never die, because by definition it&#039;s made up of people that rebel against the popular and mainstream. It may get diluted every so often, but eventually it will return to its nature as a culture of resistance. 

I agree with geekyvixen that we should be glad mainstream is crossing over to us. Yeah, there&#039;s always a trade-off. But I don&#039;t think a trade-off threatens us. I mean, if what we love and believe in is truly awesome (it is!), then the good stuff will stay and the stuff that wasn&#039;t really all that cool to begin with will eventually disappear. Cultures evolve, don&#039;t they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nerd culture will never die, because by definition it&#8217;s made up of people that rebel against the popular and mainstream. It may get diluted every so often, but eventually it will return to its nature as a culture of resistance. </p>
<p>I agree with geekyvixen that we should be glad mainstream is crossing over to us. Yeah, there&#8217;s always a trade-off. But I don&#8217;t think a trade-off threatens us. I mean, if what we love and believe in is truly awesome (it is!), then the good stuff will stay and the stuff that wasn&#8217;t really all that cool to begin with will eventually disappear. Cultures evolve, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: observational</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a relative newcomer to Comic Con, really. This year was my fourth one. But I think that a lot of people who complain about the overtaking are kind of missing something important. Hollywood is, whether they want to or not, creating more nerds. They&#039;re helping us grow in numbers and in geekery.

My number one geek thing is reading, but not comic books. I&#039;ll totally admit it; I was one of those book snobs who looked down on comics because they have pictures, and pictures are &quot;cheating.&quot; 

However, with the Hollywood &quot;takeover,&quot; I&#039;m now more interested in actual comics. Two years ago, I wouldn&#039;t have been able to tell the difference between the Green Arrow, the Green Hornet, or the Green Lantern, but today I&#039;ve gone out and sought the original material specifically *because* there are movies being made about the latter two. I would never have read the Scott Pilgrim series (which I ADORE) if the movie hadn&#039;t shown me that something like that even exists. 

The same thing is to be said about other things that exist in my geeky ways. I never would have fallen in love with one of my all-time favourite bands if a friend hadn&#039;t shared them with me. Would have never known that the Neverending Story, a book that has been there for me for twenty-one years, was even a real book had I not watched the movie and read the credits. I wouldn&#039;t have had Buffy the Vampire Slayer to lean on during our high school misadventures if I hadn&#039;t watched the (admittedly bad and not-at-all-what-Joss-wanted) movie first. 

My point is this -- You have to be *introduced* to the things you love before you can love them. And sure, having Hollywood introduce you to something is certainly not as bonding as when a friend introduces you to something..but when you fall in love, the matchmaker doesn&#039;t matter. It&#039;s all about the match that was made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a relative newcomer to Comic Con, really. This year was my fourth one. But I think that a lot of people who complain about the overtaking are kind of missing something important. Hollywood is, whether they want to or not, creating more nerds. They&#8217;re helping us grow in numbers and in geekery.</p>
<p>My number one geek thing is reading, but not comic books. I&#8217;ll totally admit it; I was one of those book snobs who looked down on comics because they have pictures, and pictures are &#8220;cheating.&#8221; </p>
<p>However, with the Hollywood &#8220;takeover,&#8221; I&#8217;m now more interested in actual comics. Two years ago, I wouldn&#8217;t have been able to tell the difference between the Green Arrow, the Green Hornet, or the Green Lantern, but today I&#8217;ve gone out and sought the original material specifically *because* there are movies being made about the latter two. I would never have read the Scott Pilgrim series (which I ADORE) if the movie hadn&#8217;t shown me that something like that even exists. </p>
<p>The same thing is to be said about other things that exist in my geeky ways. I never would have fallen in love with one of my all-time favourite bands if a friend hadn&#8217;t shared them with me. Would have never known that the Neverending Story, a book that has been there for me for twenty-one years, was even a real book had I not watched the movie and read the credits. I wouldn&#8217;t have had Buffy the Vampire Slayer to lean on during our high school misadventures if I hadn&#8217;t watched the (admittedly bad and not-at-all-what-Joss-wanted) movie first. </p>
<p>My point is this &#8212; You have to be *introduced* to the things you love before you can love them. And sure, having Hollywood introduce you to something is certainly not as bonding as when a friend introduces you to something..but when you fall in love, the matchmaker doesn&#8217;t matter. It&#8217;s all about the match that was made.</p>
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		<title>By: irrg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[irrg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would say that nerd culture as a whole is shifting. While comics/sci-fi are still some of the lifeblood, PAX, w00tstock or a Coulton gig are more of a nerd happening than anything else I&#039;ve seen lately. These things didn&#039;t exist 10 years ago — they&#039;re something new.

All the big cons were cool once. Remember when Wizard Magazine was cool? (Just kidding). Their cons are considered pretty awful now, and others rise to the occasion (I&#039;ve heard nothing but good things about the Chicago con Reed Elsevier did this year). 

Change is part of the game — if Hollywood is going to take the biggest nerd con and continues to sodomize it, other things will develop/grow/mutate.

You&#039;d think for an industry that&#039;s forever identified by things like mutants (I started out as an X-men nerd at age 12) we sure seem afraid of change!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that nerd culture as a whole is shifting. While comics/sci-fi are still some of the lifeblood, PAX, w00tstock or a Coulton gig are more of a nerd happening than anything else I&#8217;ve seen lately. These things didn&#8217;t exist 10 years ago — they&#8217;re something new.</p>
<p>All the big cons were cool once. Remember when Wizard Magazine was cool? (Just kidding). Their cons are considered pretty awful now, and others rise to the occasion (I&#8217;ve heard nothing but good things about the Chicago con Reed Elsevier did this year). </p>
<p>Change is part of the game — if Hollywood is going to take the biggest nerd con and continues to sodomize it, other things will develop/grow/mutate.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think for an industry that&#8217;s forever identified by things like mutants (I started out as an X-men nerd at age 12) we sure seem afraid of change!</p>
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		<title>By: highndrye</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may get some flame replies but I still believe it to this day...Much like football teams and cheerleaders have their social parties, geeks have had their conventions.... 

Now that these particular cons are gaining attention the sense of ownership for geeks has diminished, its kind of like losing a best friends basement. It was comfortable, you knew who would be there and what games you would play, and you knew that you&#039;d get along with everyone. Now that these conventions have blown WAAY out of proportion and you start seeing mainstream media, Hollywood, and people there it seems like your friends basement got remodeled, perhaps their parent married a new spouse, and the basement now seems like a fraternity house or design studio...

Give us back the dark corners and nerd exchanges with people that want to discuss stories or experiences more than watching trailers to a movie, or listening to people blather and theorize about things you&#039;re really not interested in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may get some flame replies but I still believe it to this day&#8230;Much like football teams and cheerleaders have their social parties, geeks have had their conventions&#8230;. </p>
<p>Now that these particular cons are gaining attention the sense of ownership for geeks has diminished, its kind of like losing a best friends basement. It was comfortable, you knew who would be there and what games you would play, and you knew that you&#8217;d get along with everyone. Now that these conventions have blown WAAY out of proportion and you start seeing mainstream media, Hollywood, and people there it seems like your friends basement got remodeled, perhaps their parent married a new spouse, and the basement now seems like a fraternity house or design studio&#8230;</p>
<p>Give us back the dark corners and nerd exchanges with people that want to discuss stories or experiences more than watching trailers to a movie, or listening to people blather and theorize about things you&#8217;re really not interested in.</p>
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		<title>By: fifthofficial</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the strongest part of this piece is mentioning that true nerds will just ignore the mainstream things that don&#039;t interest them.  This is WHY we are nerds.  As long as that keeps happening (and it always has), &quot;nerd culture&quot; will remain intact.

Yes, the cosplayers and overweight druid types will be made fun of by mainstream media- and who cares? 

Go to Dragon*Con in September and you&#039;ll be treated like a star!  Go to NYCCC and you&#039;ll be fawned over.  In fact, there are MANY conventions happening in hotel ballrooms in cities all over the world almost every weekend during the Spring and Summer of EVERY YEAR.  

We may have lost SDCC to the pretty people, but it&#039;s not like that&#039;s your one chance to geek out quietly or loudly with fellow true fans of whatever it is you&#039;re into.  There are many many chances. 

 Let the Hollywood types pretend they have the courage and self awareness to be a real &quot;nerd&quot; for a few days a year.  No big deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the strongest part of this piece is mentioning that true nerds will just ignore the mainstream things that don&#8217;t interest them.  This is WHY we are nerds.  As long as that keeps happening (and it always has), &#8220;nerd culture&#8221; will remain intact.</p>
<p>Yes, the cosplayers and overweight druid types will be made fun of by mainstream media- and who cares? </p>
<p>Go to Dragon*Con in September and you&#8217;ll be treated like a star!  Go to NYCCC and you&#8217;ll be fawned over.  In fact, there are MANY conventions happening in hotel ballrooms in cities all over the world almost every weekend during the Spring and Summer of EVERY YEAR.  </p>
<p>We may have lost SDCC to the pretty people, but it&#8217;s not like that&#8217;s your one chance to geek out quietly or loudly with fellow true fans of whatever it is you&#8217;re into.  There are many many chances. </p>
<p> Let the Hollywood types pretend they have the courage and self awareness to be a real &#8220;nerd&#8221; for a few days a year.  No big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: robertsubiaga</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[robertsubiaga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ool article. (And an interesting expose about how almost all of us complain in one context about being &quot;outcasts&quot;--then form sub-cultures that we hope grow beyond the shadows--but complain when they grow out of our control to make others stay &quot;outcasts.&quot;)

(&quot;He who would fight dragons must beware he does not become a dragon?&quot; Who guessed in some cases Nietzsche would be so ... &quot;literal.&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ool article. (And an interesting expose about how almost all of us complain in one context about being &#8220;outcasts&#8221;&#8211;then form sub-cultures that we hope grow beyond the shadows&#8211;but complain when they grow out of our control to make others stay &#8220;outcasts.&#8221;)</p>
<p>(&#8220;He who would fight dragons must beware he does not become a dragon?&#8221; Who guessed in some cases Nietzsche would be so &#8230; &#8220;literal.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Little Red Lupine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Little Red Lupine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had similar gripes about change or people ruining something I love, but I agree with Wil that the attraction of money can be a serious bonus. The other thing is that yes, fads come and go, and those things that aren&#039;t &quot;mainstream&quot; tend to become so. (Check out http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/04/12/selling-out/ for an article about just that.) I get the nerd snobbery about what is authentically nerdy, about not wanting &quot;those people&quot; ruining the whole thing. At the same time, it does provide a way for more people to experience those very things that you all love. 5 years ago I would have winced at the idea of attending a con. But the more exposure I get to geekery the more I want to go. My interests are diverse, but I&#039;m most decidedly a nerd or a geek or however you want to label me. And I am happy when more people discover the things I find awesome. And it gives me a chance to encounter other nerdiness that I probably wouldn&#039;t have otherwise encountered and fallen in love with.  

So while it sucks having what used to be a safe haven be co-opted, it may also mean that some of those people who come for one thing may discover an awesome comic or graphic novel or webcomic they love. Or they may become the next comic artist/writer that you could enjoy.

It has upsides. A lot of them. I think they&#039;re worth it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had similar gripes about change or people ruining something I love, but I agree with Wil that the attraction of money can be a serious bonus. The other thing is that yes, fads come and go, and those things that aren&#8217;t &#8220;mainstream&#8221; tend to become so. (Check out <a href="http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/04/12/selling-out/" rel="nofollow">http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/04/12/selling-out/</a> for an article about just that.) I get the nerd snobbery about what is authentically nerdy, about not wanting &#8220;those people&#8221; ruining the whole thing. At the same time, it does provide a way for more people to experience those very things that you all love. 5 years ago I would have winced at the idea of attending a con. But the more exposure I get to geekery the more I want to go. My interests are diverse, but I&#8217;m most decidedly a nerd or a geek or however you want to label me. And I am happy when more people discover the things I find awesome. And it gives me a chance to encounter other nerdiness that I probably wouldn&#8217;t have otherwise encountered and fallen in love with.  </p>
<p>So while it sucks having what used to be a safe haven be co-opted, it may also mean that some of those people who come for one thing may discover an awesome comic or graphic novel or webcomic they love. Or they may become the next comic artist/writer that you could enjoy.</p>
<p>It has upsides. A lot of them. I think they&#8217;re worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: moffattbooks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moffattbooks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to NYCC &#039;07 and while I enjoyed it, I believe Hollywood&#039;s invasion did change things, who among the Hollywood stars are legit nerds and who are just going to shrill their latest projects.  

I have no plans of going to sports events even if my town or neighboring town gets in the Big One.  That&#039;s for the real fans so same idea here, just ride out the wannabes and we&#039;ll just keep going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to NYCC &#8217;07 and while I enjoyed it, I believe Hollywood&#8217;s invasion did change things, who among the Hollywood stars are legit nerds and who are just going to shrill their latest projects.  </p>
<p>I have no plans of going to sports events even if my town or neighboring town gets in the Big One.  That&#8217;s for the real fans so same idea here, just ride out the wannabes and we&#8217;ll just keep going.</p>
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		<title>By: xsikal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the most part, I agree with the original article.  

The one exception I&#039;d make is for Twilight, because the fans are both so numerous and so disruptive to the con... not because they&#039;re punching people, but because they don&#039;t have the tiniest shred of interest in anything else at the convention, and they&#039;re going to spend the majority of their time clogging up a conference hall (killing the buzz in any non-twilight presentation) as they wait for their chance to scream their heads off when the twilight presentation finally starts.

It&#039;s easy to just not go to a panel I&#039;m not interested in.  (What does Glee have to do with the geek culture?  Eh.  Who cares... I&#039;ll go to a different panel)  It&#039;s harder when a particular panel brings in an enormous influx of people who are entirely disinterested in the rest of convention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part, I agree with the original article.  </p>
<p>The one exception I&#8217;d make is for Twilight, because the fans are both so numerous and so disruptive to the con&#8230; not because they&#8217;re punching people, but because they don&#8217;t have the tiniest shred of interest in anything else at the convention, and they&#8217;re going to spend the majority of their time clogging up a conference hall (killing the buzz in any non-twilight presentation) as they wait for their chance to scream their heads off when the twilight presentation finally starts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to just not go to a panel I&#8217;m not interested in.  (What does Glee have to do with the geek culture?  Eh.  Who cares&#8230; I&#8217;ll go to a different panel)  It&#8217;s harder when a particular panel brings in an enormous influx of people who are entirely disinterested in the rest of convention.</p>
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