From a PC Lover to PC Makers: Have Some Pride, Don’t Rip Off Apple

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If you can’t see the resemblance between the HP all-in-one PC and the iMac pictured above, please head directly to the comments and begin screaming. There’s nothing I could say that would sway you anyway.

For everyone else, I need to get something off my chest: It’s this pattern of PC makers ripping off Apple with their designs. Though it’s by no means a new issue, it’s come to a head recently with HP’s Spectre One all-in-one PC, and with the wave of Ultrabooks and upcoming Windows 8 hybrids hitting the market.

Not every PC maker is guilty, but when it happens, the resemblance is hard to ignore and painful to see. I say this not as an aspersion-casting Mac user, but as a longtime lover of Windows PCs.

(MORE: Innovation in a Sea of Sameness)

For laptops, the similarities usually come down to the use of light gray aluminum, black island-style keys, a frame with gently-rounded edges, a large, clickable trackpad and a tapered shell. For desktops, it’s the black frame around the display, the L-shaped aluminum base, the slim keyboard with curl-around stand and the equally-sized trackpad that looks like it could attach at the hip with the keyboard.

Asus, Apple

I’ve heard all the counter-arguments: Apple didn’t invent island-style keys, it doesn’t own the idea of thin-and-light, it can’t patent aluminum, and so on. Those are valid arguments, to a point. Any one of these similarities would be passable on its own, but when you look at an entire design, the more Apple hallmarks a product borrows, the more of a copycat it becomes. It’s a gray area, for sure, but lately I think PC makers have crossed the line too often.

I’m a PC user. I have a Windows desktop and a Windows laptop, the latter of which I plan to replace with a Windows 8 tablet-hybrid within the next few months. Though I do use an iPad, I could never get used to Mac OS X and have no intention of switching to Apple for laptops or desktops.

So here’s the problem: I don’t want my next PC to look like an Apple product. Not that there’s anything wrong with Apple’s designs. They’re stunning, but they’re unmistakably Apple–or at least, they should be. This may be vain, but when I go to a coffee shop or invite people to my home, I don’t want them to eyeball my tech products and assume they were made by Apple. I want them to realize that PCs can be beautiful too, but in their own way. I want to take pride in my PCs.

PC makers should take pride in their work too, which means coming up with designs that don’t look like those of another company. And yes, it’s possible to create beautiful computers that stand out, even when minimalism is at work. Allow me to submit a few examples:

Here’s the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Thin, light, and made from rugged carbon fiber. Doesn’t look like a MacBook Air:

Lenovo

Here’s the Samsung Series 9, one of the first Ultrabooks. But instead of aping the Air’s sterile aesthetics, it has its own design flourishes, such as the looping pattern around the base. It comes clad in a strikingly dark material, called Duralumin, which is stronger than aluminum:

Samsung

Here’s the Vizio All-in-One PC. Sure, some iMac users are probably howling at this one because of the aluminum and the standalone trackpad. But the base station, bezel and keyboard designs are all unique (no island-style keys, either), and all the input devices have a stockier black undercarriage that isn’t as airy as Apple’s:

Vizio

I could go on, but the point is that it can be done. PC makers can achieve design beauty without aping Apple’s signature style. Let’s see more of that, and not just for my next computer, but for the sake of giving Apple enthusiasts one less thing cackle about.

MORE: Coming Soon: 15 Interesting Phones, Tablets and Hybrids

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ibenzawla
ibenzawla

I cannot agree more with this writer. As a Windows/Linux user I always prefer my machines to stand out instead of blend in. 

Christopher John Merry
Christopher John Merry

This topic is as old as my hole punch for  5.25 inch disks. I run a hackintosh, Mac OS by day for work, PC by night to game. Mac OS 20-30 dollars. I'm a developer and Mac rocks for that, not that it helps me create better graphics... you can create great graphics on a PC or even a Linux box depending on what you use. As far as ease of use and memory use... Mac wins on my Intel. I can open every application I have in the Master Suit on the mac side and it doesn't bat an eye. Also makes it easier when I am searching for a .psd, .ai or anything else. Because they are shown natively on a mac while on windows I have to hack the registry. Plus, the preview option and the slideshow feature is really nice for graphic artists. Coding... you can't code for an iphone on anything but the Mac OS. I've worked on just about everything that exists. I've run servers... to me that's where Apple fails is with OS X server. The hardware is actually top notch. But it's comparable to anything you can build for less in the PC Market. 2,600.00 for a mac is 1,200.00 for a PC. There are some pretty cool features Mac's do use as far as laptops go, Like the magnetic power adapter. For years I worked on plenty of Laptops and the power adapter breaking the jack was always a problem. Especially for people who think they can set a laptop on there bed with blankets... fire. Mac Book Pro's are incredibly cool temp wise. No fans, No vents. Even with a 9600 radeon, playing WoW for eight hours, barley any heat. Is one better than the other? I guess I ask this. If your a developer, yes. Because iPhones are everywhere and so are iPads. There is something a PC can't do and that is provision those devices. So you wouldn't be able to compile or test an app with windows in a market saturated with iPhones and iPads. On the other hand, there fee's on the application market are crazy. They get half and it has to be reviewed in source code by them before it can be released on the app market. On my Mac side I can do anything a PC can and then some (Apple Market). On windows... miss the whole Apple Market.

JesseJamesHD
JesseJamesHD

Haha me blinded by hate? I don't think so. I don't HATE apple I dislike their ways. I'm sorry but if people say the SGS2 looks like an iPhone are obviously blind. It looks nothing like the iPhone. Also it looks like apple are starting to make devices all one colour now. The iPhone 5 is all black. Now apple will sue every manufacturer for have all one colour phones saying it was their design first. Siri..... They CLAIM they created the talk for info idea. Talk to open apps. But again they didn't. That has been on PC's since before siri. Also its been on the android market since before Siri was first released. And they sued Sammy again. All Sammy need to do to make apple products pants is stop supplying Apple with their hardware. Yes Sammy would lose millions from it but they are losing more through these court cases. If Samsung were to stop selling them their hardware Apple would be lost as what to do. I hope one day all this will stop but until then I will say that Apple are sore losers in this market war. Sammy obviously sell more devices than apple. That's a fact. Android is selling more than iOS which is also a fact. Because of this Apples only way of "Defence" is to sue over the smallest of things. I'm just waiting for Google to use all of Motorola's patents against Apple as I expect Apple are infringing on tons of them with Motorola being the original creators of mobilephone technology. If apple were to stop spending their time sueing other OEMs Apple could create some amazing stuff. But no instead they spend all their time sueing instead of designing. I actually feel sorry for all the android and apple fanboys. Everyday I see Apple are better and android sucks or Android pees all over Apple and these stupid damn pics of apples being peed on by an android. I don't deny that apple make some nice devices but all the sueing is making apple look bad. People are hearing this on the radio, TV, internet and see apple sueing Samsung and then people go " Oh if apple are sueing Samsung, Samsung must be good if its drawing that much attention to Apple. I will buy a Samsung" and anyway. Samsung should have the right to use some designs as they supply apple with hardware. Where's the justice in that. Anyways I'm done arguing. At the end of the day there is Apple Fanboys and Android Fanboys. Thank god I'm neither but what my point in the first place was is I'm getting sick of seeing blogs like this everywhere I go. They get emailed to my inbox and I hear it on the radio and it is driving me insane. If apple stop sueing then people aren't likely to keep buying Samsung as they won't be "Advertised" as much on the radio because apple have made another claim in court.

MSclown
MSclown

I have both Macs and PCs.  My 2011 PC started out nice and snappy, but 1 year later it is already showing the usual signs of the Windows slow-down.  I have done nothing with this PC except run standard Office software and have 1 game on it. I know that there is only one solution to the problem: Re-format and re-install and re0configure everything.  That is a 2 day job, minimum, and a major pain in the a#$.  I cannot believe that Windows has been around for 20 years and they have NEVER found a solution to this issue!

My 6 year old Imac is still, to this very day, booting up in less than 30 secs.  It has gone through 3 OS, without ever needing anything re-installed.  No slow-down.  It is now outperforming, in terms of general use (not gaming, obviously) my 2011 PC.  That alone, is more than enough reason for me to buy another Mac.  The time I need to spend (if I take my salary into account) to keep a PC running well, easily makes up for any cost difference.  And if you buy your Mac right on release, you actually get a pretty good bang for your buck...

JesseJamesHD
JesseJamesHD

Wow so much apple c*ck sucking here. Everything's a rip off of apple. So apple never makes rip offs? Err. Let me think here. Apple made rip offs of the MP3 player at first. Oh and the PC. And the PC mouse. (One button, really?) Oh not to forget tablets. Which if I remember right Microsoft made the first types oh yeah and smartphone again that Microsoft started. It makes me laugh how all I see these days is Samsung rip off apple or HP rip off apple. Get a f**king life. Jeeze. Who cares. At the end of the day the Apple "Rip Offs" turn out to be a million time more reliable and more feature packed. Open your eyes and get out more. I hate apple because of their sore loser ways with the patenting ideas that have been around since before apple ever started, and then using them against companies that are obviously better than Apple. Apple are Rip Offs themselves and sore losers. Apple is for children and people that don't have lives.

immovableobject
immovableobject

The key is that when Apple adapts and incorporates ideas, they don't just clone someone else's existing product.  They thoughtfully refine their designs to be unique.  They don't try to confuse the customer into thinking they are getting a product made by someone else.

Contrary to ignorant accusations, Apple doesn't patent basic concepts like rounded rects or touch screens.  But they do patent specific designs and implementation details that they are the first to develop.

JesseJamesHD
JesseJamesHD

Just to put things straight. If I was the judge and apple came crying to me saying the SGS2 looked exactly like the iPhone I would have told them to get out. The UI looks nothing like iOS it looks like any other android phone. The phone itself don't look like it. They sued Sammy over the button that has slightly rounded corners and is rectangular I may add. They said it looked like the iPhone button. Funny as the iPhone has a round button. Plus back to the phone again. Other is Sammy have capacitive buttons iPhone don't. Apple won because it was rigged. Also as I recall rightly that button has been on phones since Nokia made old B/W screened phones. So I will say this. Apple never patent ideas they they didn't create? WRONG!!!!!! They have patented so much that has been around for years. The round button. That has been around since the 1800s rounded corners. Been around since 1920s ish so don't come here telling me that apple don't patent peoples ideas. Do some research first. I'm an android developer and everyday I have to sit and read that apple sue over this and apple sue over that its getting on everyone's nerves and making people hate apple. Apple customers are actually moving to android because its obvious that android is better in the market which says something. Apple are scared and losing FAST so the only way is the Microsoft way. Sue sue sue sue sue. Read up more before telling me apple don't STEAL ideas.

immovableobject
immovableobject

Google bought Android when their idea at the time was to clone the then popular Blackberry platform. But with Android still under development, once the iPhone was released, it quickly became apparent that Apple had the better idea (full capacitive multitouch screen, soft keyboard). So Google shifted gears and set to work copying iOS (much the same way that Bill Gates, as an early application developer for the Mac, realized that the Mac GUI represented the future, and set about copying it to create his own version called MS Windows.)

Your reductionist argument is worthless. Apple's design patents don't claim to protect INDIVIDUAL ideas such as rounded corners.  The patented look and feel of the iPhone is the sum total of SEVERAL design elements, of which a rounded rect enclosure is but one.  Samsung would not have been sued had they not carefully copied MULTIPLE aspects of the iPhone to the point where it became unquestionably obvious to the jury that they were deliberately trying to mimic Apple's products.

There are people who have always found a reason to hate Apple.  In the beginning it was mainly tech elite computer experts who were threatened that the Mac would bring computing power to the ignorant masses who hadn't "paid their dues" learning all the secret geeky incantations of the command line.  Next it was the corporate IT people who felt that if the easy to use Mac took hold, their job security and ability to empire build would be jeopardized (and they've done a good job of marginalizing the Mac in business).  Much later came the open source people who rebelled against "closed systems" and resented having to purchase Apple hardware in order to legally run the Mac OS which was only sold in bundled form. As Apple has evolved, so have its critics,  Now we've got environmentalists, critics of overseas labor conditions, and yes, people who hate the idea of design patents.

Anyone not biased with Apple hate can see that the history of popular computing is the story of Apple "getting there first" and everyone else copying them.  Sure, in retrospect, the basic ideas had been out there for all to use, but Apple most often seemed be the company to realize the potential and vision first, and took the bold risks to productize and promote devices that were new and different. Time and again Apple products were received initially with loud criticism and ridicule.  I still remember how much flak Apple took over the Mac GUI and mouse by small minded people who "just didn't get it".  The iPhone was supposed to fail because it "needed" tactile keys. The iPad was supposed to fail because it didn't run a "desktop OS".  But inevitably, after Apple had broken the ice and educated the public to a better way of doing things, its competitors, like carrion, would swoop down to harvest the market that Apple had created.

People accuse apple of stealing ideas.  There is nothing wrong with using ideas. Progress is made by incorporating and improving ideas to make UNIQUE products.

What IS wrong, and works against progress, is the wholesale copying of other's COMPLETE product designs the way Samsung did.  Apple has every right to fear and sue over its designs being copied. I hope for all of our sakes that true innovators like Apple remain protected.  We need companies to aspire to do more than just copy the successful products of others.

I don't expect you, blinded by hate as you are, to get it. But maybe others reading this will understand the difference.

bzelbub
bzelbub

Yep nothing more original than buying a company older than Apple and then  sueing because its patents might be getting infringed upon. Way to innovate.

JesseJamesHD
JesseJamesHD

Wow so much apple c*ck sucking here. Everything's a rip off of apple. So apple never makes rip offs? Err. Let me think here. Apple made rip offs of the MP3 player at first. Oh and the PC. And the PC mouse. (One button, really?) Oh not to forget tablets. Which if I remember right Microsoft made the first types oh yeah and smartphone again that Microsoft started. It makes me laugh how all I see these days is Samsung rip off apple or HP rip off apple. Get a f**king life. Jeeze. Who cares. At the end of the day the Apple "Rip Offs" turn out to be a million time more reliable and more feature packed. Open your eyes and get out more. I hate apple because of their sore loser ways with the patenting ideas that have been around since before apple ever started, and then using them against companies that are obviously better than Apple. Apple are Rip Offs themselves and sore losers. Apple is for children and people that don't have lives.

Guest
Guest

Hahah. Most amusing thread ever.

Apple user: Here is my justification for wasting my hard

earned money on a machine that has comparable specifications to a cheaper or

older PC.

 

PC user: My cheaper and older PC is superior to an Apple

computer, and I am superior because I don’t care about how my computer looks

and I feel that I am more technologically advanced because I “built” (i.e.

slotted together parts) this machine myself.

 

Innocent bystander: you guys are wasting your time! It’s

like fighting over why classical music is better than jazz, or why a sports car

is better than a 4x4. They each have their own advantages and disadvantages.

People will pay for what, in their opinion, is valuable. For some that will be

style (believe it, more and more people care about what a computer looks like,

and will pay more for the same spec as that beige box under your desk, if it

looks nicer) while for others it’s purely bang for your buck. Fighting over who

is right – is fighting over who’s opinion and value system is correct. Its

useless. YOU ARE BOTH CORRECT. Products exist for both of you. Buy what you

want, enjoy it ,and don’t feel the need to preach to others, or convert them to

your church of PC/MAC. 

Have a nice day

oldtimer123
oldtimer123

 HP had its first all-in-one PC already at

1972 ( if you don't count the "calculator" from 1968..........) . Everything inside of that all-in-one is a clone

from the HP machine....

Oh, btw. What did Steve Job's say back in the day? " we are ruthless of stealing great ideas...."

And rounded corners on PC doesnt make it a iMac clone. Jeepers,

creepers. This was declared as a "patent" in 1932... WITH REFRIGERATORS!

Patent:http://bks8.books.google.vg/pa...

Inventors: Thomas E. Jenkins, Duane Jubenville

Original Assignee: General Electric Company

Current U.S. Classification: 52/782.1; 49/501; 52/658; 52/784.13; 312/405

International Classification: E04C 208; E04C 230; A47B 9604

To follow up on this topic:

http://www.blinkenlights.com/p...

Quote:

"The HP 9830, introduced in 1972, was the first desktop all-in-one

computer. It even had BASIC in ROM, but few people know about it because

HP marketed it primarily to scientists and engineers, _____very quiet

people______.

Even earlier (1968), HP produced a similar desktop machine called the

9100. However, since it didn't have a full alphanumeric keyboard or

display, it is generally considered a sophisticated programmable

calculator rather than a general-purpose computer. According to one

researcher, the term personal computer was first used to describe the HP

9100A.

Make Model Introduced Price Technology Form

Hewlett Packard 9830A 1972 $5975 MSI desktop all-in-one"

.......

Oh and btw, the first Apple all-in-one:

"First iMac, consumer all-in-one desktop computer was introduced in 1998."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A....

oldtimer123
oldtimer123

 HP had its first all-in-one PC already at 1972 ( if you don't count the "calculator" from 1968..........) . Everything inside of that all-in-one is a clone from the HP machine....

Oh, btw. What did Steve Job's say back in the day? " we are ruthless of stealing great ideas...."

And rounded corners on PC doesnt make it a iMac clone. Jeepers, creepers. This was declared as a "patent" in 1932... WITH REFRIGERATORS!

Patent:http://bks8.books.google.vg/pa...

Inventors: Thomas E. Jenkins, Duane Jubenville

Original Assignee: General Electric Company

Current U.S. Classification: 52/782.1; 49/501; 52/658; 52/784.13; 312/405

International Classification: E04C 208; E04C 230; A47B 9604

To follow up on this topic:

http://www.blinkenlights.com/p...

Quote:

"The HP 9830, introduced in 1972, was the first desktop all-in-one computer. It even had BASIC in ROM, but few people know about it because HP marketed it primarily to scientists and engineers, _____very quiet people______.

Even earlier (1968), HP produced a similar desktop machine called the 9100. However, since it didn't have a full alphanumeric keyboard or display, it is generally considered a sophisticated programmable calculator rather than a general-purpose computer. According to one researcher, the term personal computer was first used to describe the HP 9100A.

Make Model Introduced Price Technology Form

Hewlett Packard 9830A 1972 $5975 MSI desktop all-in-one".......

Oh and btw, the first Apple all-in-one:

"First iMac, consumer all-in-one desktop computer was introduced in 1998."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A....

oldtimer123
oldtimer123

HP had its first all-in-one PC already at 1972 ( if you don't count the "calculator" from 1968..........) . Everything inside of that all-in-one is a clone from the HP machine....

Oh, btw. What did Steve Job's say back in the day? " we are ruthless of stealing great ideas...."

And rounded corners on PC doesnt make it a iMac clone. Jeepers, creepers. This was declared as a "patent" in 1932... WITH REFRIGERATORS!

Patent:http://bks8.books.google.vg/pa...

Inventors: Thomas E. Jenkins, Duane Jubenville

Original Assignee: General Electric Company

Current U.S. Classification: 52/782.1; 49/501; 52/658; 52/784.13; 312/405

International Classification: E04C 208; E04C 230; A47B 9604

To follow up on this topic:

http://www.blinkenlights.com/p...

Quote:

"The HP 9830, introduced in 1972, was the first desktop all-in-one computer. It even had BASIC in ROM, but few people know about it because HP marketed it primarily to scientists and engineers, _____very quiet people______.

Even earlier (1968), HP produced a similar desktop machine called the 9100. However, since it didn't have a full alphanumeric keyboard or display, it is generally considered a sophisticated programmable calculator rather than a general-purpose computer. According to one researcher, the term personal computer was first used to describe the HP 9100A.

Make Model Introduced Price Technology Form

Hewlett Packard 9830A 1972 $5975 MSI desktop all-in-one"

.......

Oh and btw, the first Apple all-in-one:

"First iMac, consumer all-in-one desktop computer was introduced in 1998."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A....

teamdave™
teamdave™

ah come on, there is only so many ways you can have a screen and a keyboard, none of the design or contours are the exact same as the apple... both the screens are rectangular... both have a base...some parts are aluminium... but thats about it.

you cant really say that samsung has its own "design flourishes", which are pretty minimal, and then say that the hp doesnt

Diana Carter
Diana Carter

Apple stole the idea for the GUI interface from Xerox, Siri from the idea behind the computer in the Star trek series and the list goes on for them.

immovableobject
immovableobject

Those basic ideas are available for anyone to use.  What Apple patents is their specific implementations.  Others can do the same.  What they can't do legally is copy Apple's.

Starshiprarity
Starshiprarity

PC builders are building whats popular. At this time, the market is enamored with apple's look. They want silvery, shiny cases, island keys, etc. Manufactures including apple, samsung, hp, and on are just making what people are asking for.

Anna Marie Valdon
Anna Marie Valdon

to think that pc isnt at some point going to resemble apple is ignorant being as bill gates co-founded apple in the first damn place, c'mon people and get with the program

immovableobject
immovableobject

Bill Gates co-founded Apple?  Now that's a new one.

LARRY
LARRY

ultrabooks + hybrids are set to hit the market with a resounding fart. they're designed and priced for people that want apple products.... and 90% of the people that want apple products will just buy apple products without looking for alternatives. i chalk it up to desperation, sort of like how deer get extremely dumb+aggressive during mating season. they want a piece of apple's pie and they're rushing for it without really thinking anything through.

RegisLittman
RegisLittman

i honestly didnt think it was possible for someone so stupid to possibly aquire a job at time. This man is about as dumb as a bag of rocks, although that may be giving him too much credit. You have to honestly be the dumbest man to ever cover anything regarding technology. Apple has copied every single thing a pc has done since day1. this man should not be allowed to write to a broad audience. Who is the editor who read this absolutely dumb article and decided this was in some way informative. This guy is about as dumb as they come. this moron just brought time magazine into the same realm as the national enquirer.

Guest
Guest

Having a bad day?

Varle
Varle

this article is worthless..no one is stealing anyone's design, google "history of flat panel monitor" amd you will see that Apple's design have been around for a long time.  I don't know if you are ignorant or just like to flaunt knowledge that is not really there.

Russ H
Russ H

Considering that the only (arguable) benefit to owning an apple is their devices' aesthetics, I can understand why apple fanatics are up in arms: they've overpaid for a device that solely relies on it's appearance to stay ahead of the curve. If apple fans believe in their brand so much, let other companies come out with similar looking devices - surely it won't impact apple's sales at all, right?

Jason Cox
Jason Cox

I do not buy apple products simply because of the look, I buy them because they have attention to detail in everything they do with a product. Both hardware and software are crafted from a different philosophy than most other companies.  Comparing a PC to an apple computer is like comparing a hyundai to a bmw. Both cars will get you from a to b, both will do it fast, both have AC, you can play music in both, the hyundai may even have some details that the BMW does not have. However, BMW's attention to detail in every aspect makes it a better driving experience in many peoples opinion. 

It may be your opinion that someone who payed $80,000 for a car is grossly over-priced and you're welcome to it but there are _many_ people who pay more for products that are crafted from the attention to detail philosophy. 

Just because I buy apple products doesn't mean that I'm against PC's... I'm simply for apple so I buy them. It's not about better or worse, it's about better for me

Guest
Guest

Couldnt have said it better myself.

Why people spew out the same old regurgitated arguments

that they read in some other thread, or some other website, or took from some other person to argue to the death, their view of why apple/pc is good or bad or copies or doesn’t – dumbfounds me.

They are different design philosophies on how to do the same thing

and each suits a different personality. Then within the categories of PC and Mac there are subcategories (brands of PC, laptop v desktop, portable laptop vs powerful laptop), and each is up to the buyers taste and means as to which they want.

The analogies are numerous – headphones is a good modern one too – some people will spend $400 on beats by DRE – they probably know that for 1/2 the price there are better sounding headphones available, but they want the look and style and everything else that goes with beats by DRE. Great! Some people would never spend more than $50 on headphones, and are willing to accept lower quality sound because to them, saving money is important. GREAT.

I don’t get the arguments for one against the other – what are

these guys arguing – AGAINST consumer choice? Should we not have the choice to pay a premium for style and build quality? Should we not have the choice to save money on something that does the same job, albeit in a different way?

Buy what you want, and stop arguing over why your choice is the

right one – people, you are not that important in the world.

Troy Teixeira
Troy Teixeira

How ridiculous!  Just because they look alike you're going to give PC makers grief.  Jesus...cars look alike too, they also all have four tires and doors that open the same.  Apple didn't invent the computer, they didn't invent ALL designs, and they sure don't have any business bitching about PC's looking like their crappy products.  Yes I said crappy.  I've used a Mac and compared to a PC it is garbage.  Unless you like being forced into the "Apple" way of doing things PC's are much better, friendlier, and you can be way more productive on a PC. You don't see companies with thousands upon thousands of Mac servers logging in with Mac computers in big organizations. You see Microsoft servers and Microsoft workstations. That's just life and that's how I prefer it.

Tomekina Ofa
Tomekina Ofa

Who cares!!!! There's more things to worry about than something that looks like another... Sheeesh..

Mullah Mike
Mullah Mike

I can't stand Apple haters nearly as much as I can't stand Apple Fanboys. But there is no question which group is worse. 

Guest
Guest

I think we should start up an online argument over which is worse - apple fanboys or apple haters! It would be about as useful as the apple is bad vs pc is bad argument! 

Albin
Albin

I don't think consumers shop for Apple and other makes in the same places or see the hardware side by side to compare.  So the knockoff HP look suggests lack of design imagination, but its the hardware guts and Apple versus Windows OS and software ecosystems that are the main things knowledgeable consumers consider.

Lucia Matias
Lucia Matias

Apple users are like those fanatical muslims.... Everything must be Apple. Anything else is an infidel that should be destroyed at all cost!

immovableobject
immovableobject

What about Apple haters who think all Apple customers are cultists and that Apple should be destroyed?

F.Y.I: Not all Apple users are fanatics.  But all Apple haters are.

Rodge Snyder
Rodge Snyder

iPhone 4 design was actually Sony's Music player design.