NASA Actually Working on Faster-than-Light Warp Drive

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You know that scene in the film Contact where the “Machine” is spooling up, its three spinning rings kicking out crazy light and an electromagnetic field powerful enough to pitch nearby Navy battleships sideways, as Ellie (Jodie Foster) waits, terrified, in her tiny spherical craft above the space-time bedlam, to plummet into the vortex?

Yeah, that’s not exactly how NASA’s envisioning faster-than-light space travel, but…wait, NASA’s working on faster-than-light travel? Isn’t that impossible?

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Of course it is. Nothing can travel faster than light, right? To do so would violate the special theory of relativity, which stipulates that you’d need an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a particle with mass to light speed. We’ve all heard this pretty much since we were kids. Has someone finally proven special relativity wrong?

Not at all, but with respect to travel between the stars, someone did come up with a radical-sounding hypothetical workaround 18 years ago.

In a paper titled “The Warp Drive: Hyper-fast travel within general relativity” published in science journal Classical and Quantum Gravity in May 1994, physicist Miguel Alcubierre suggested a mechanism for getting an object from one point to another at faster-than-light speeds without running afoul of Einsteinian relativity.

Alcubierre’s idea: bending space-time in front of and behind a vessel rather than attempting to propel the vessel itself at light-speeds.

According to Alcubierre, in the paper abstract …

… [it] is shown how, within the framework of general relativity and without the introduction of wormholes, it is possible to modify a spacetime in a way that allows a spaceship to travel with an arbitrarily large speed. By a purely local expansion of spacetime behind the spaceship and an opposite contraction in front of it, motion faster than the speed of light as seen by observers outside the disturbed region is possible. The resulting distortion is reminiscent of the ‘warp drive’ of science fiction.

Harold White

By placing a spheroid object between two regions of space-time — one expanding, the other contracting — Alcubierre theorized you could create a “warp bubble” that moves space-time around the object, effectively re-positioning it. In essence, you’d have the end result of faster-than-light travel without the object itself having to move (with respect to its local frame of reference) at light-speed or faster.

The only catch: Alcubierre says that, “just as happens with wormholes,” you’d need “exotic matter” (matter with “strange properties”) to distort space-time. And the amount of energy necessary to power that would be on par with — wait for it — the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.

So we’re back to “fuhgeddaboudit,” right?

Maybe not. According to NASA physicist Harold White, the energy problem may actually be surmountable by simply tweaking the warp drive’s geometry.

White, who just shared his latest ideas at the 100 Year Starship 2012 Public Symposium, says that if you adjust the shape of the ring surrounding the object, from something that looks like a flat halo into something thicker and curvier, you could power Alcubierre’s warp drive with a mass roughly the size of NASA’s Voyager 1 probe.

In other words: reduction in energy requirements from a planet with a mass equivalent to over 300 Earths, down to an object that weighs just under 1,600 pounds.

What’s more, if you oscillate the space warp, White claims you could reduce the energy load even further.

“The findings I presented today change [Alcubierre's warp drive] from impractical to plausible and worth further investigation,” White told SPACE.com. “The additional energy reduction realized by oscillating the bubble intensity is an interesting conjecture that we will enjoy looking at in the lab.”

That’s right, an actual lab experiment, whereby White says he plans to simulate the tweaked Alcubierre drive in miniature, using lasers “to perturb space-time by one part in 10 million.”

And if it works? Don’t expect to go Alpha Centauri-hopping any time soon, but the idea well down the road, according to a presentation delivered by White on the subject last year, would involve a spacecraft leaving Earth, traveling a given distance using conventional propulsion, stopping (relative to the Earth), enabling its “warp field,” then traveling to a point near its interstellar destination, where it would then disable the field and continue on its way using conventional propulsion methods once more.

Star Trek meets Contact, in other words.

Instead of taking “decades or centuries,” White says this would allow us to visit a spot like Alpha Centauri — a little over four light years from us — in as little as “weeks or months.”

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182 comments
ScottRyan
ScottRyan

yea my idea.

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    comment / post of photo on   March 15, 2012 at 9:07pm 

go 2 see all down to that date. its posted all over nasa/facebook space pages


I have posted this on many blogs including all of NASA'S. Have said it would do something to space wrap, and some how make us go C or faster. 1 more idea taken by NASA.


I did post a different 1 that was 100% the same, but was just out in front, as i was thinking the force would kill the people in the ship. so it would start out in front then come back in once a bubble is formed i guess.

Yes i did say i have know idea what shape it has to be, but doing a force like this around the ship would let us go faster then C.

100% seen my idea.

ScottRyan
ScottRyan

New it would do something. new it was the way without being a pro.

HunterLeavey
HunterLeavey

Won't be long before the warp is breached. Prepare for Chaos!

azhure
azhure

so love this scitech, sci fi is only good for science and fiction since this isnt a fictional theory, we can call it scitech,hehe i miss downloading science and technology magazines at http://sharepirate.com

DanielSavio
DanielSavio

@azhure I guess it escaped you that science fiction is where this idea originally came from?

zen4zoey
zen4zoey

@HellInSpace I love it whenever #SciFi propels technological advancement. :)

jumpjunkiejw
jumpjunkiejw

@CosmicEvolution Why doesn't NASA just use a TR-3B... Or is that off limits!!

C57D
C57D

@jumpjunkiejw @cosmicevolution I don't think the TR-3B has FTL speed. But, if it docked in orbit with a NASA warp drive ring...

jumpjunkiejw
jumpjunkiejw

@C57D @cosmicevolution Before they attempt an FTL Drive they need to figure out how to create Forcefields for interstellar shielding!!

BlackeningAll
BlackeningAll

@Bob_Reinard This might actually be better (i.e. more devastating) than the LHC creating a Black Hole...

Bob_Reinard
Bob_Reinard

@BlackeningAll I was suddenly reminded of the movie "Event Horizon"

ConnorReeves
ConnorReeves

Is starfleet taking preliminary applications?

jessesipprell
jessesipprell

The article doesn't mention the important violation of Special Relativity, only the light speed limit.

If you can send information of any type FTL you can create a time machine and violate causality.  This is quite problematic and without adding some "magical" component to SR (like a universal inertial reference frame) would seem to be a show stopper.

rossoh
rossoh

@OneiricCanid I remember reading this now. I've managed to get a PDF of the paper. *devours*

OneiricCanid
OneiricCanid

@rossoh I can't understand the maths behind it, unfortunately, but NASA seem up think it checks out so I'm pretty confident xD

rossoh
rossoh

@OneiricCanid I hope it is that situation, where NASA have audited his work, and not NASA just letting a scientist do what he wants.

petefrasermusic
petefrasermusic

@kallepa Can't wait. Especially if we get aliens.

kallepa
kallepa

@petefrasermusic They will probably eat your head though. Worth it!

petefrasermusic
petefrasermusic

@kallepa We'll obviously be friends.

kallepa
kallepa

@petefrasermusic Did I say I'm not one of those people? I'll already be sitting by the leaders side by the time you get there. >:-€

petefrasermusic
petefrasermusic

@kallepa Of course. I'll make sure they only do your feet.

kallepa
kallepa

@petefrasermusic Oh, you'll be one of those people that joins the bad aliens and helps them eat the heads of other humans. Nice!

twisst369
twisst369

@bobtheastorian A very bright ISS will cross your sky tonight. It comes up in the West at 5:13 pm. Details: http://t.co/VK4wXGGh

twisst41
twisst41

@bobtheastorian An extremely bright ISS will cross your sky tonight! It comes up in the West at 5:16 pm. Details: http://t.co/IWEGRARd

nealefoulds
nealefoulds

@lee_alley little boys dreams ... :)) #ftl

phasetwo
phasetwo

Still another (you should try smoking some of this stuff...): I understand the recently confirmed Higgs Boson is what gives matter its mass.  Since gravity is sort of a "byproduct" of and dependent upon mass, what if there were an "anti-Higgs" that engenders "negative mass" that in turn sets up "negative gravity?"  A door into antigravity propulsion???  I'll go back to my garret now...

phasetwo
phasetwo

Here's another:  Just as waves move through water but the water itself doesn't move (laterally, anyway), maybe a key to this is the recently hypothesized "dark matter" - which sounds like a reincarnation of the ancient and discredited idea of an "ether" - can be harnessed in the same way.  A ship becomes a wave that moves along this "neo-ether" but the dark matter itself doesn't move.  Interesting....

Stentor
Stentor

@phasetwo Not a hypothesis, it exists, there's actual proof, data, & evidence of dark matter. It's detectable by its effects on other forms of mass in the universe. Conversely, there was never any proof of the luminiferous ether, & it was finally completely discredited in the famous Michelson/Morely Experiment in 1887, & again in later years with more sensitive equipment, which attempted to detect the relative motion of matter through the stationary luminiferous aether ("aether wind"). The negative results led to the pursuit of another line of research which was eventually Albert Einstein discovering the concept of Special Relativity, in which the luminiferous ether plays no role.

It's not transport by wave action, the nearest analogy would be to imagine an object such as a pea or a coin sitting on a vast sheet of paper that is being crumpled up in front of the object, & smoothed out behind it. This dual crumpling-in-front/smoothing-in-back action propels the object along at FTL speeds through the space-time continuum.

Lalsdragon
Lalsdragon

@Liam_J_McIntyre @techland Too awesome! WAY. Too. Awesome! *mindblown*

permhere
permhere

@Liam_J_McIntyre @Techland Liam, it is awesome - space travel & perhaps time travel. Go back & free the rest of the slaves to help Spartacus

shannanigans82
shannanigans82

@Liam_J_McIntyre @techland considering I've never even been on a plane, let alone a star ship.... Too awesome!

trunanny
trunanny

@Liam_J_McIntyre @techland I want the transporter. Beam me down, Scottie!

PunkLuke
PunkLuke

@Liam_J_McIntyre are you think of joining Star Fleet Academy Liam.

phasetwo
phasetwo

Dumb question:  what happens when you are cruising along at warp 2 or 3 and encounter intergalactic pebbles or even dust motes.  At that speed it would be like a nuclear-tipped torpedo.  We'd need a hefty "force field" too.

gsm
gsm

@phasetwo As you "encounter" a spaceship traveling by bending space-time as a "intergalactic pebble" you will not notice anything as space-time is bent from the shipts point of view and not yours. So as the ship passes infront of you, you as the pebble would be bent around it. So unless you are a pebble that can "sense" changes in space-time around you would not be effected or even aware that something just passed infront of you.

BenHigginbotham
BenHigginbotham

@phasetwo You're not actually cruising at "warp 2 or 3", in effect you're actually moving the space around you.  It would be easier for you to understand it as a series of wormholes (but that's not what's actually happening), the ship is moving through normal space-time, not along it.


Ex. The shortest route from side A end A of a page to side B end B of a paper is to curve the sheet, you bypass everything else.

phasetwo
phasetwo

OK.  So, in effect, the interstellar debris are sort of traveling along with the ship in the space/time "bubble" - or at least the ship is encountering it at "normal" speed."  Correct?

cgseever
cgseever

Seriously, Buckaroo Bonzai predicted this concept with his oscillation over-thruster. :D

Hector
Hector like.author.displayName 1 Like

Hey, I smell reverse engineering here. See that diagram of the football-shaped object surrounded by this ring?. Just fill the space between these 2 objects in between and what do you get?, Yes, a flying source! , those ones being photographed millions of time during many years. They just knew how to copy that technology from the recovered UFOs and they're just letting story to be made public, but I'm sure they have the technology working already. 

JimPhong
JimPhong

@Hector Of course that is what is going on here. But there is more. They already built all this stuff.. they already have group of spaceship fleets created with reverse-engineering from alien UFOs first. Then they have been allowed by some alien races to get more tech over the years and enhance everything. And then they started working on devices, techs, spaceships together with the alien races they have been in contact with to achieve new results. 

Stentor
Stentor

@JimPhong Dude, I seriously hope that's sarcasm.

TurdBandito
TurdBandito

@Stentor  lol This is a claim made by John Leer.  I'm not saying its right, just saying I know thats one source who makes that claim.   John is the son of the Leer jet creator, John's father worked within the "military industrial complex".  John claims his fathers company has worked with ET space craft.

It sounds nuts, but John(one of the most decorated civilian pilots ever) isn't the only person with credentials saying the same thing.....

Stentor
Stentor like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Hector And here's your tinfoil hat. Be sure to wear it down tightly over your ears to block out all those nasty CIA radio transmissions.