The Trouble with Windows Phone 8: It’s Not the Apps, It’s the Basics

After two years of iteration by Microsoft, I can't get into Windows Phone, and the paucity of apps--real or perceived--has nothing to do with it.

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Are tech pundits lending a hand in crushing Windows Phone 8? PCMag’s Sascha Segan thinks so.

Segan argues that Windows Phone 8 is a solid mobile operating system that has a chance to compete with the iPhone and Android. The problem, in Segan’s view, is that pundits are all too eager to point out Windows Phone 8 ‘s app deficiency compared to other platforms, and that their negativity is killing the zeitgeist and scaring developers away:

Windows Phone has a lot going for it. For people who like Xbox, for people who use Microsoft office software, for people whose friends don’t all have iPhones or even just for people who like the cool interface of live tiles. Before we bury it, let’s give the darn thing a chance.

I agree with a lot of Segan’s points, including the idea that the iPhone-Android duopoly could use fresh competition.

I also agree that the Windows Phone app situation isn’t as bad as some pundits make it out to be. Many of my essentials are present, including Twitter, ESPN ScoreCenter and TripIt. Third-party alternatives fill the void for many other services, like YouTube and Pocket. The free mobile version of Microsoft Office is a huge perk that no other platform has. And like Segan, I couldn’t care less about LetterPress.

Still, after two years of iteration by Microsoft, I can’t get into Windows Phone, and the paucity of apps–real or perceived–has nothing to do with it. My troubles come down to the little things that Windows Phone 8 doesn’t do as well as other platforms, the very things I rely on from a mobile device. Here are some examples:

GPS navigation is still a mess. To get directions on an iPhone or Android phone, all you have to do is hold down a button and say “directions to,” or “navigate to,” followed by the place you want to go. No such equivalent exists on Windows Phone. The closest alternative is to hold down the home button, then say where you want to go, then tap on the location in Bing search, then tap the “drive” option. Even that only works if you have a Nokia phone with turn-by-turn directions built-in, or you install a supported third-party app from the Windows Store (none of which actually exist yet, as far as I can tell). Getting direction is one of the things I do most on my smartphone. The fact that no OS-wide solution for getting turn-by-turn directions is a dealbreaker for me.

Internet Explorer has problems aplenty. I kid you not, IE for Windows Phone lacks a “forward” navigation button, but that’s not its only sin. When you search the web, you get bumped out to a separate Bing app–and there’s no setting Google as your default search engine–so if you decide to enter a specific URL while searching, you must find a way back to the browser first. Also, the web treats mobile IE like a second-class citizen, so if you try to use certain sites, like Google Docs, you get the lame feature-phone version instead of the proper site for smartphones. That last point is the fault of web developers, not Microsoft, but it’s a nuisance either way.

Gmail gives me grief. This may be an oddly specific nitpick, but whenever I try to read through a long Gmail conversation thread, Windows Phone buckles. On previous phones I’ve used, the app just crashed entirely. On the HTC Windows Phone 8X I’ve been using, that doesn’t happen anymore, but each individual message still takes a minute or two to load. Maybe most people don’t have long e-mail threads to deal with, but I do, and this recurring issue makes Gmail practically unusable on Windows Phone. Seeing as Gmail is now the world’s largest email provider, that’s a problem.

Notifications are way behind the competition. Want to be notified of new emails on a Windows Phone? Your only option is to hear an audio ringtone for each new message. There’s no option to see a silent pop-up, and there’s no notification center–apparently Microsoft “ran out of time” on this feature–which also means you don’t have a single place to glance at incoming e-mails, text messages and social network messages. If you want to see what’s happening, your only option is to go to the home screen and thumb through a bunch of Live Tiles.

I feel like I just went through the Airing of Grievances. (Next up: The Feats of Strength with angry Windows Phone-loving commenters.) But it had to be said. If the things I rely on most–handling messages, browsing the web, checking e-mail, getting directions–don’t work well, it doesn’t matter what the app situation is now or might become in a few months.

Like Segan, I want Windows Phone to succeed. It’s smoother and more stable than Android, but has a wider range of hardware options than the iPhone, and it also has some beautiful design concepts not found in either competitor. Yet I still feel like it gets in the way of the things I need to do. I’ve given the darn thing a chance, as Segan begs of us pundits, but once again I’m ready to bury it, at least until it grows into something better.

108 comments
ReViEw_2010
ReViEw_2010

A screen full of boring squares sitting on no backdrop is just plain boring ! I bet you cant get viber, whatsapp, etc ?

JasmineHui
JasmineHui

I OWN A windows 8 nokia phone AND is RUBBISH. everybody that i talked to, HATES it. even my professor at uni agrees too:

1) you can't download most apps that you want. almost nothing interesting exists in the app store. including candy crush, etc. 

2) even if you are lucky to find the app (yay) the interface is entirely different from the original one, making it non-user  friendly.

3) emails aren't up-to-date, it takes several MINUTES for it to update. by the time, you are the last person to have read the email.

4) you can't change the homescreen. fine, you may find it nice to have everything neat and tidy. but all apps are in bold  background colours, making it harder to distinguish between apps. it actually takes longer to find it.


5) when you have new messages on whatsapp/line/facebook, it does not notify you.



harshmastermind
harshmastermind

Biggest advantage of Windows phone is its Metro UI called Tile interface. It’s actually very innovative and easy to use this look. But it does not give you all notification in single screen. Like you have to scroll up and down to see notifications in their respective tiles. In Android phone, even latest iOS7 also have it's native notification bar in top of the phone and you will be able to see each and every notification very easily.


Source: http://www.itechment.com/2014/02/problems-with-windows-phone-os.html

crabby0910
crabby0910

I dont care about few apps on this OS! I just want the push notifications between 3rd party apps like whatsapp get fixed!!! 

Fredo
Fredo

I used to have a Windows Phone and this was my worst experience ever with a smartphone. It is missing all the most basic features. The OS is totally locked down (even more than iOS). You cannot even change the default keyboard, the default browser, the search provider. You are stuck with the mediocre IE, the mediocre BING. What a shame. And, of course, no file explorer and no USB mass storage. I will NEVER ever buy a Microsoft phone again. Never.

jollie474
jollie474

i have a cell Phone it is a GX 2 P999 by LG when i plug it in to my Computer that has windows 8  installed on it  it mess up my video files i can not watch them on my  phone any more

automatic24x7
automatic24x7

hi .. A newer version of an OS SHOULD be better than the last, except that in the case of WP8, it has LOST functions, like CTL key on the keybd, the ability to sync Outlook contacts, file explorer, ease of use with Office products ..I could go on, or MS could just fix it & make it more like WM6, which I loved for years... WP8 is BAD TO THE BONE.. why can't MS get it right ?

lliillaa
lliillaa

I've been using Windows Mobile for 10 years (currently have the new Nokia WP8) and have never personally had an iPhone or Android but some of these complaints sound much more like he's used to doing things a certain way and doesn't like the way WP works. I think I would have similar complaints if I moved to iPhone. My hubby didn't like WP7 and moved to an iPhone and I want to throw it at the wall every time I try to do anything with it.

nishant
nishant

The is no file manager in Windows Phone 8. That really sucks. I learnt that this is because of security reasons, though it is hard to digest.

Android allows installing applications from 3rd part websites as well. This gives a lot of option to Android users, rather then having  very limited Windows 8 store. There is a risk of viruses but who cares, there are antivirus software's which can be used

I have a Nokia Lumia 820 which has 8 GB internal memory 2 GB already consumed by OS). Installed a few games and I have less than 2gb space left. There is no option to install games and apps on SD card.

There is no application kill button. If you navigated to 100 page on Internet explorer on WP8 you need to hit the back button 100 times to close Internet Explorer. Makes no sense. I am quiet disappointed with Windows Phone 8 platform.

All my friends have latest games and apps like Temple Run 2 and OZ, Subway surf, while WP8 users have Temple run and no sign of Subway Surf. Android users are able to manage memory an organize files, which is a big plus

nysalesman
nysalesman

I agree. I bought a Windows phone (HTC 8X) because I got sick of the iPhone genre (I also have an iPhone for work and thought it may be nice to having something else as my personal phone). Lastly, I recently migrated from an iPad to a MS Surface, which I really like, and felt that the Windows phone would be more compatible. I got the phone because I heard great things and figured that I could live without the extra apps. However, now that I've had it for a few days I find it's the basics that are lacking:

1) If I use voice command on my car's hands free it will automatically cue Siri on my locked iPhone, which will clearly guide me through making a call. If I try the same on my Windows phone it tells me that it cannot access voice-command while the phone is locked. What a load of crap.

2) When the phone is unlocked, I get this choppy, low volumed little voice coming across on the speaker that I can hardly even hear. This is a joke compared to the loud clear voice that I get from Siri on my iPhone 4.

3) You would think that after two years this operating system would be a little more mature. It is not. It does not have visual voicemail, the themes are limited and even the ones available come across like an old green and black display PC (albiet blue).

4) There is no way to change the color of individual tiles. So, since I use mainly the blue tiled items most often, the screen of my phone comes up totally blue. It may as well not have tiles and just have white icons on a blue background, because that's the way it looks.

5) Mail is a joke. Either you have to have a separate tile for each mail account or merge all inboxes. It doesn't give you the option under the main mail app to select which account you wish to view.

6) Texting is an even bigger joke. The text bubbles are so monochrome and rudimentary that you would think you were working with a device from the 1980s. Also, there are no options for text security and your text message shows up on a banner at the top of the screen for all to see when your phone is unattended (whether you want others to see it or not)

7) Configuration and options are minimal. iPhone really did a great job with this, even with the 1st gen. Meanwhile, Windows has been out for two years and we are on the Win 8 Phone gen and it still offers little to nothing.

8) There is little to no configuration for live tiles. Besides not being able to change their color, you also can't chance the way that they act. For instance, the photo tile will do a slide show of all your photos right there on your metro screen. What if I don't want strangers that glance at my phone to see all my photos? The only option is to shrink the tile so it doesn't do live updates. There is no way to choose a single picture, or a group of pictures that you'd like the tile to show. So, if I have to shrink the tile to disalbe the live tile capability, then what's the sense in having live tiles, or a Windows phone, in the fist place?

I thought I'd like my Windows phone but it is so limited that I wish I never got it. I don't know what Microsoft was thinking as the phone comes across as something on which they invested very little time and resources and was more of an afterthought. Even now, they've had two years to improve it and it's still seems like an afterthought. I wish these MS zealots would not post such positive reviews just because they hate Apple. It was those reviews that made me switch to a clearly inferior phone.

DavidDunshea
DavidDunshea

Well what a load of crap.
I had the very first Iphone and loved it but then came the android and I liked to be able to have the freedom to change the appearance.
After putting up with all my data disappearing in the background from the android I changed to blackberry.

I used the blackberry for many years and it was the best phone I ever owned.

Then work bought me an Iphone, I was so amazed at hardly anything has changed with there software wow not much progress there.
Anyway I bought myself an android for a personnel phone as everyone seen to brag about them and wow there is so much to do and change it's amazing but a $100 worth of credit in data gone in 11 days so nothing has changed there.

I decided the put the android in the draw before I went broke. I read up on the new blackberry and it wasn't good what I did find 80% good reviews was the nokia lumia 920. I wasn't sure weather to buy the blackberry or the nokia as there seems to be what they call fan boys doing these reviews. So I decide to try the Nokia, I'm amazed at how easy it is to use and doesn't chew all my data. I suppose it will get boring one day but at the moment I consider the phone and the operating system the best on the market. Still curious about the blackberry tho.

JKeefer
JKeefer

Get a car with NAV

Chrome doesn't have a forward arrow on the browser either.

Gmail is nothing but a spam filter for me

tiles have notifications, and I can't imagine you have that many tiles that need to be scrolled to, but ok...

KyleHanlon
KyleHanlon

i want to burry it. yes i can understand but how is something supposed to succeed without support. im sorry but i know when i get my notifications cause there on my home screen. i do agree a silent notification light would be silent, but i enjoy the phone so much (HTC 8X) that im opening it every feww minutes anyways. also the phone is so smooth, you can go from email to text so sms so easily. this phone is the future and with the support it deserves it will be dominent. but you can go back to your basic iOS and enjoy being part of the norm.

Skiman
Skiman

I get notifications of new emails on my live tile, maybe the notification centre matters, but not in regards to email which is a default live tile

That was really stupid, you obviously haven't used windows phone with that kind of a blunder

faran5200
faran5200

Can someone please screw this pathetic 7yr old guy. I myself used IPhone 3g, 3gs,4s,5 and android 2.3 and 4.1 and recently moved to windows 8 on pc and windows phone 8 use nokia maps never had a issue found as good as Google maps and yes notification is bit an issue but not as much as this idiot is saying and they will be fixed when windows blue update is released. Yo idiot go and screw your self you half fried no full fried brain

Anton_Th
Anton_Th

Is the author misinformed or lying? Either way, I'll avoid 'techland.time' search results from now on. If I didn't know WP myself, I would've been mislead. (The comments are good though.)

rsorenson3
rsorenson3

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I just found this one and it seems so interesting to me that not only can you use this app, but you actually can make an income using it!

iLA, The Inspired Living Application, is a one of a kind, mobile application that makes it possible for the average, every day person, to profit from the exploding mobile application industry.

 Go to http://tinyurl.com/theappthatpays it's definitely worth checking out!

Mwirigi
Mwirigi

Try to use Nokia Maps for directions. 

fergiessoldier
fergiessoldier

Jared,

That is one of the least thought out reviews of a product I have come across from a professional, and honestly it's pretty clear you're one of those journalists who've decided that you want nothing to do with WP even before you've used it. Critique if you must, but at least offer valid well researched points.

1. GPS Navigation. Nokia's Map/Drive/City View is the most advanced and comprehensive native GPS/Navigation/Discovery mobile application suite on any platform. Period. And it comes standard on WP

2. IE - The fastest and smoothest mobile browser by a mile, and the closest thing to a desktop experience you will find on a mobile device. So good in fact, you can seamlessly read lengthy GMail emails on it no problems. I will give you this one point though, that the interface does leave a lot to be desired and their insistence on shoving Bing down our throats is revolting,

3. GMail. Configure your GMail account into the native mail app, or go directly to the webpage and  pin it to you start screen

4. Notifications - Window's LiveTile is by far the most sophisticate, innovative, and differentiating notifications feature in, dare I say it, personal computing right now and it's no wonder it's been ported to Win8. Want to know why there isn't a Notifications Centre? Because that is so 2009 and LiveTile is a far better way to get up-to-date information from any your apps mail or otherwise

*** drops microphone and exits....

SandeepVuriti
SandeepVuriti

No chance at all. GPS is not a problem at all, everything shows up fast when you use Nokia Drive and the offline maps. IE works fine. If not you can just download a faster and better browser called UC Browser for free. Gmail never takes me any time, I have 4 mails linked into my phone and every mail shows up within 3 seconds of me opening it. Notifications are not a big problem. They show up on your live tiles, that's all that matters. Concerning the Lumia 920, the battery life can be improved very efficiently when you shut down a few background tasks. It's probably the same with the HTC 8X.

JoelAaronMarshall
JoelAaronMarshall

Without going into explicit detail, I will state that Windows Phone 8 gets more of the basics right than the other two major platforms. I've owned all 3 at this point and my Windows Phone is my favorite. Don't get me wrong, it has its flaws, and the bad ones are maddening, but thus far I don't feel the need to switch platforms as I did after a couple years on iPhones and far less than that with an Android phone.

wyson9
wyson9

I use Windows Phone 7.5 and find the lack of notifications really annoying, especially when I'm driving.    From what I have read on the net, I think Windows Phone 8 handles it in the same way.  It would be great to be able to go to a single source that has all the messages listed in chronological order.  Driving along, you can hear a bong but the number of steps required to check all the individual inboxes means you can only check properly when pulled over....  Android notifications allow you to just swipe down at the next traffic lights and get a summary of contents... enough to decide if its worth actioning.  This type of notification is much handier than a number shown in a live tile or lock screen.  If these had little summaries, then they would be useful... am I correct in assuming only email is handled in this way in WP8?  Otherwise, you hear a bong.  And you look at the live tiles.  An then you think... hmmm.... did I have 42 in that account before so now its 43 so I should check that?  Maybe it was a kakao talk message that isn't even on my home screen?  This is poor.

I use an Android / Windows Phone combo.  The Windows Phone is my main, with the Android used for Google Services.  I hate Android as an OS but its integration with Google services is second to non and Google services / search / maps is extremely good.  I use the live traffic feature of Google maps all the time when driving in town, as it saves me sitting in so many jams.  I understand live traffic isn't available on WP8 yet, even with the Lumia WP8 phones. I hope one day WP8 will mature with notifications and live traffic enabled GPS navigation apps so I can make the switch and ditch my Android phone!

link5a
link5a

You've just confirmed it Sr. - Sascha was SO Right!

SamPatel
SamPatel

Your problem is that your using a inferior device(HTC). Use a Nokia phone with win8 and take a few videos and pictures while you are at it.

KurtFarrar
KurtFarrar

I think the statement about not being able to set Google as the default search provider for Internet Explorer is misleading. You CAN set Google as the default search provider on Windows Phone 8 / IE 10. So when you launch IE, you type a few words into the address bar and click go, and Google will carry out the search rather than Bing.

Though, I do agree there's an annoyance that the search button (core to the OS) can only use Bing at the moment. 

ismartudumb
ismartudumb

1.) Windows phone navigation always works. It locks on to your gps location and doesn't let go.   That's more than good enough.  Not like Android's inability to initialize the GPS feature without a reboot.   

2.) "I kid you not, IE for Windows Phone lacks a “forward” navigation button."  Try this..  Tap "..." then "recent" (a list of recent pages will be revealed.)    Forward & Back buttons occupy too much valuable screen space. 

3.)  "No Notification Center"  Try this...  Look at the bottom of the lock screen.  (Before you unlock the phone) There you will find all your notifications, (if any) displayed for you across the bottom. Email, Texts, Missed calls, Voice-mail, etc.  Your finger probably just covered them up while you were swiping.  Understandable. 

      Some people have the ability to figure things out, and some just need to be shown repeatedly how to do something basic.  All I can recommend is that you have someone show you how to look up a YouTube video on how Smartphones work before you critique a Smartphone.  

RyanSchauer
RyanSchauer

If I were the CEO of TIME and read this article, I would not only fire this guy on the spot, but I'd do everything in my power to get this article off the web as quick as possible. Absolutely atrocious. Apparently anybody can make up an article and get it published by TIME.

cashcar1979
cashcar1979

Wow - did you even use Windows Phone 8 before you wrote this terrible article?  There is built in Navigation, and there is built in Turn by Turn Navigation on Nokia phones via the excellent Nokia Drive solution.  It is heads & shoulders better than iPhone's attempt.

Also, you can easily switch search providers if you do not care for Bing and prefer Google.  Did you even look in the settings options before your rant?

Notifications?  There are also numerous notifications - led by Live Tiles.  I also get notifications on my lock screen.  However, I enjoy the Live Tiles as I can pin dynamic information on my home screen, about the people or things I care about most.  iOS certainly doesnt do this...

yeehaa
yeehaa

can you really be THAT dumb and lame altogether? u obviously has no clue about techs and a 12yearoldkid has better tech brain than you. you are a joke, author!

KFlaps
KFlaps

Yeah most of what was said above is not true, at least not on my Lumia 920: 

I can set my search provider in IE - i don't have to use Bing, and IE renders even full web-pages BEAUTIFULLY and faster than my PC! I can also choose the default for mobile or desktop sites. I'll admit it could do with a few more settings (font size for example), but on the whole it's the best mobile browser i've every used and i promise i'm not just saying that - it really is.

As for navigation - Nokia Drive+ does a sterling job, as it always has. Can drive or walk anywhere at the touch of a button. Absolutely no issues at all!!! Just make sure you get a Nokia ;o)

Really have no idea what phone your using! My notifications are all clear on my home screen... I get regular updates to my messages, e-mails, twitter, FB etc... and there's even a notification bar that appears every-time something important happens, PLUS all notifications are also listed on the lock screen. In fact, i can't possibly see how the phone could notify me any more, without smacking me in the head with a mallet every time i got a txt/wall post/mention/e-mail... I mean seriously...what phone are you using?!!

Gmail: Again....i have no idea what phone you're using, but i have 5 e-mail accounts linked to my home screen, one specifically for long e-mail conversations with friends... It's a gmail account, and as i'm writing this i'm looking at a thread that is 20+ e-mails long, and they're all condensed and displayed nicely...i can see exactly what i've written and what my friends have written.... No problem here!!! I can also link multiple accounts to show in the same inbox if i wanted to..

I'll admit that WP8 isn't perfect...there are things i miss coming from Symbian... The phone could use some more settings and a few bug-fixes - but it's new software and i'm willing to give MS a chance to update and perfect. For me, my Lumia is super-fast, so-far reliable, sounds-great, looks amazing (Seriously the HD+ screen is like nothing i've ever seen....even my Retina-Loving friends are jealous) and i know it won't break at the first drop... WP8 won't be for everyone, but i really think people should give it it's dues.... MS have come a long way from WP7 - and i think it's the responsibility of the media to actually TRY the phone properly before writing about it.

The above article is mis-informed at best - and simply wrong at worst...

tmservo
tmservo

You must be using a different phone then I am.   I just switched to the Nokia 920 from the 4S.   Here's my observations:   Nokia Maps is so much better than Apple Maps that it's night and day.  And I mean absolute night and day.  Nokia Map's walking directions as well as easy turn by turn plus it's understanding of mass transit make apple maps look stupid in comparison.   I've not run into the issues you point out with gmail.. my gmail seems to function fine, but I don't know about that.  With live tiles, all my notifications I care about are right on top with one glance and I can instantly see that mail came in, etc.    FYI, it's auto-bluetooth detect to read aloud my txt messages when I'm driving is very nice touch.    There are some things that need to happen, but all in all, very happy with the switch.

blog.fan007
blog.fan007

Looks like you want to point out some features that you were missing from your iPhone.. which is good to know for people currently using iPhone and are planning to move, but your title is way incorrect, please for sake of god fix it.

MingyMang
MingyMang

Hey Jared, i understand it is your job to be a journalist but pleast...at least USE the damn thing before knocking it. and when i say use i mean use it not tinkle with it for a few hours.

Now, This is a great review, maybe you can learn a thing or 2 from this: 

http://mashable.com/2012/11/27/living-with-lumia-wrap-up/

Even though she still end up sticking to her iPhone but at least her arguments were fair constructive and its obvious she really used  it.

StewartVieraVega
StewartVieraVega

People just want to deny the fact that windows has done well. I have used both iOS and Android devices and I have to say I love them but now my love is being shared with WP8. My phone my lack some of my favorite apps but it still makes up with a bunch of nice features. I won't bash WP8 just because I can't navigate just by telling so. My phone controls my speed limits for god sake, I would rather a 100 times like my phone to protect me from getting a speeding ticket than having the option of a single voice comand. Iphone may have voice command through siri but seriously what is the point if their maps suck. Yes my phone has no notification list but as everybody has point out, I have a stylish set of tiles that tell me everything about my texts, music, facebook and more! You may hate bing and I used to hate it too but come on, bing through the gps system tells me coupons and specials in places around me, where can i go to eat, movies playing that I may want to watch and more and yes if you don't like it just install google. Lastly I gratefully have the lumia 920 so my camera is flawless! I may not hav ewhat I used to have on my android phone but I just can't hate my lumia.

woody1
woody1

Interesting observations about the functionality of the Win8 phone, however, the word "zeitgeist" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

Hanover
Hanover

Actually, I discovered one of the BEST features (beating the iPhone hands down) on the WP8 HTC 8x is the Bluetooth hands-free system. When you get a text message while driving, it will AUTOMATICALLY pause whatever you're listening to. Then a voice comes up asking if you'd like to listen to your new text messages, you say yes or no, and then it asks you if you want to reply. It picked up what I dictated without a single error. The whole experience was flawless and made me realize what an awesome phone I had purchased.

I have no problems with most of what you talked about. I use the official Google app for Google searches, and never search in the URL bar in the IE app.  If you use a Nokia with ATT then you can set your default search engine. I think Microsoft and Verizon have some sort of agreement right now (but I'd rather suffer through that than deal with ATT).

ONLYinDADE
ONLYinDADE

The small issues I have with my WP8 (so far)  is no VPN and having to create a tile for each email account. Features I used on my old iPhone BUT no deal breaker.  Besides that my Lumia 920 is pretty impressive and refreshing! Hope Apollo + delivers.

fergiessoldier
fergiessoldier

@nysalesman Hey NYSalesman, great post and great points - Sounds to me like you should have written this article and not that joker because it's clear that you have actually used WP8 and have had some pretty solid things to say about it. I have a few thoughts on your points:

1. I'm not huge on voice command anyway so I can't comment. To my mind, unless you have a clear American, Caucasian accent, voice rec systems never work not even 50% of the time. As I'm neither, I never use them so I can't comment on how well WP stacks up

2. You must have a faulty device. I have owned 6 WP devices since March 2012, and that has never happened to me on any of them. All of mine have been NOKIAs so maybe there is a problem with HTC

3. True that WP lacks a bit of maturity, and that themes are limited (though there are many more in WP8 than WP7). With some of the maturity questions, it seems that this is by design and MS want to push WP in a certain direction and don't seem to care as much that users want certain key features which they insist on ignoring. A good example is orientation (rotation) lock Microsoft has no interest in implementing this feature, despite desperate pleading from users. In WP7, we had found a way to side load a custom app for this. But MS took the step to block this, meaning they are well aware that we want it, but don't want us to have it anyway and have decided to block it. You are wrong on visual voicemail though, it is there and works well. If it didn't work for you must have had faulty settings and/or device

4. Down to the user I guess, but the way tiles work is that developer either implements a tile to have it's on colour or to follow the phone's theme. Personally I love how all my tiles have a consistent colour when I set a certain theme. You ask me, that sort of is the whole point of having themes.

5.Yeah, I see why you might not like that about mail but I think that one depends on the user. For me I would NEVER want all account in the same app so I like that they do things that way. Do you have Windows 8? You'll notice on the native mail app, they implemented in the way you are asking for. Maybe they could have given the user the choice here of whether they want it all in one or as separate apps?

6. You are right. WP text message is extremely rudimentary. I particularly can't stand how it doesn't tell you at a glance what number you are texting to - saying a friend has 2 numbers, a work one and a personal one, and you are texting them on a weekend, you want to make sure that your texts go to the personal line otherwise you won't hear back till Monday. Without a couple extra taps, you can't know in WP

7. OMG you couldn't be more to the point. This is the single greatest fault of WP8 and the one thing on it that makes me doubt MS sincerity in providing a unique user experience to every owner. Provide me with all the options, and let me customize the device to exactly how I want it to work.

8. I see your point, but I think you are missing the point of how the live tile is meant to work. The developer decides how they want this to work for the app they write. They can decide if they want to give you a static pic/icon, updateable news from the app, or the later with some settings on when (if at all) data  in the app gets posted to live tile. So the responsibility of giving control lies with the developer of the app, not with the OS. A good example is Photos, which you mentioned. Inside that app you can go in and change a settings of what you want that tile to look like. The default is a slideshow, but you can select a particular photo.

KevinOconnell
KevinOconnell

@fergiessoldier WRONG. notifications isn't 2009. Microsoft hinted "Windows blue update" will possibly have a notification centre also a update for the extra mic in the 920 and more goodies.. but they will not say anymore

bandersaurus
bandersaurus

@fergiessoldier No, he's right about the notifications.  I have my business email and my personal Gmail account set up on my Nokia 920.  Suppose I want an audible notification to sound when I get a work email, but not a new Gmail message.  That can't be done!  Pretty ridiculous.

He's also right about the browser.  Having no forward button is pretty lame, as is how the back button just takes you back to the home screen if you continue a browsing session you'd previously exited out of.  It also doesn't auto-fit text when you zoom into a page.

The camera is incredible and I dig the fast, stable performance, but Windows 8 phones have faults that don't take a reflexive Microsoft basher to notice.

JoelAaronMarshall
JoelAaronMarshall

@cashcar1979 to be fair, there are far better 3rd party navigation apps for iPhone and Android than Nokia Drive, which is only available on Nokia devices thus far. Nokia Drive may be better than Apple's joke of an app but Waze beats all in my book and is not available for Windows Phone at this time. Google's navigation app is right up there as well- also not available for Windows Phone.

schwarme
schwarme

@StewartVieraVega Under settings, go to lock screen, then setup notifications.  Mine are phone, text, email, and facebook. 

schwarme
schwarme

@ONLYinDADE You can link inboxes.  Just go to settings inside of your email client and go to town.  :)

calvinturbo
calvinturbo

@fergiessoldier @nysalesman  1. It does work pretty good on Android.. WP Voice seems to suck then. 

3. Stupid, if users want it, why won't they add it? WP is not in the position to ignore his users.

5. He is right, that is really a joke..

6.  That's just rubbish

7. Buy an Android really..


fergiessoldier
fergiessoldier

@bandersaurus No, fair point. To each his own. To be honest, a lot of these complaints sound like they are less about problems with missing functionality and more to do with people getting used to doing things one way on a platform and finding it hard to get with a different approach employed by another platform. I dabble with an S3 from time to time and have tried an iPhone and have honestly found those experiences - their app stores aside - to be below par.

Anyway, no point arguing between ourselves as we are already committed to our platforms. There are supposed to be as many new smartphone user in the next 4 years are there currently already are right now. Let's see which way they weigh in with their purchases on the debate.

KevinOconnell
KevinOconnell

@fergiessoldier

@bandersaurus

 AGREED. There are a lot of little whiny shits out there who do nothing but moan about apps. They need to go back in the days where we didn't even have a app center. Spoilt t****

Must I add. 70% of the apps in Android store are aload of shit. as they have no control as anyone can upload as they don't monitor like Iphone, hence the sex apps.

Everyone Come back to this post in 8 months. jot it down in your iphone/android.. if your previous calendar actually stays functional by then.