I’d Be Skeptical of Reports About the PlayStation 4 Being ’50% Faster’ than Xbox One

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Attendees walk between signs for Sony PlayStation and Microsoft Xbox on the first day of the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) in Los Angeles, California, June 11, 2013.

There’s an Edge story picking up steam about the PlayStation 4 being “around 50% faster” than the Xbox One. There’s no question about it if you ask Edge — the author of the piece doesn’t even bother to use the word “allegedly.”

Computing performance, like human intelligence, is a slippery, subjective metric that can mean different things to different people (developers or otherwise). If you’re going to talk about it meaningfully, you need to be as scientific as possible. And if you’re not — if you’re just going to pass along anonymous claims from a non-representative sample of developers (that is, the ones you could persuade to talk) — you need to tread lightly, not open with a declarative implying “around 50%” is settled science.

Here’s something you can take to the bank: not all development studios are created equal, nor are they equally proficient with new hardware. That, and this “report” compiles quotes from anonymous development sources — that alone should give anyone pause. Indies? Major studios? First-timers?

Even if we close our eyes and assume this is accurate and representative somehow, why is it mainstream gaming news in 2013? For whom? Aging bipolar gamers channeling childhood playground squabbles? Does an abstraction like “around 50%” really predispose you to pick up a PS4? Because you think the games are going to better how and why, exactly? Do you think a marginal performance advantage is really going to give any locked-in architecture staying power if tablets and smartphones have their way?

Licensing deals and title exclusives and unique peripherals are meaningful differences in 2013. Price points and pack-ins are meaningful differences in 2013. Artful game design is a meaningful difference in 2013. Geometry metrics and shader wizardry and frame-rate gaps are not meaningful differences in 2013. We either move past this obsession with abstract system specs, or keep living down to stereotypes about gaming as spectacle in lieu of art form.

223 comments
MarkSowerby
MarkSowerby

Lets be honest the specs aren't going to matter until the end of the consoles life. Even at the end of this generation the ps3 is more powerful than the 360 but the consoles sales were pretty much even. I don't think we will see these potentially great graphics straight away at all, its a slow process the dev's will go through to dev great games at such a high standard straight away. The games will be exactly the same apart from ps4 exclusives, that X1 owners wont care about regardless because they don't have a ps4. On another note the X1 exclusive games look so much better than the ps4's, more great gears and halo games to come.

TheChosenChief
TheChosenChief

Reports of the Ps3 were similar when the Cell processor was the next big thing. We saw how that turned out. Both systems will have amazing games utilizing their respective hardware in different ways. 

Kazriko
Kazriko

The author is right that computing power measurement can be slippery... When comparing disparate architectures that don't match up exactly with each other. The Xbox One and PS4 use the exact same CPU cores, and the exact same GPU cores, just in different numbers. This means it's a whole lot easier to directly compare them than it normally would be.

Depending on the clock speed of the PS4's CPU and GPU which haven't been revealed yet, it's almost exactly the same on the CPU side, and between 45 and 50% faster on the GPU side. The only place where there's room to quibble about the respective performances of the two is in their ancillary processors, in the impact that the memory speed has on them, and in how important hUMA is. 

If you fully utilize both systems, it might be slightly less than a 40% difference in performance though still very close to that, but it's the PS3 vs the Xbox 360 in reverse. The PS4 is dead simple to get great performance out of, while the Xbox One will take a whole lot of programming effort to utilize to the same extent. The Xbox One isn't as hard to develop for as the PS3 was, but it's certainly not as easy as the Xbox 360 was either. Sony learned from their mistake with the PS3, but Microsoft is probably going to have to learn from that mistake with the Xbox One...

One thing to note. GPU power doesn't scale linearly, and a 40-50% increase in GPU power may only be about a 20-30% increase in framerate.

JonteMcKines
JonteMcKines

All I can say is you get what you pay for. If youre gonna go for the cheaper "better" console by all means. I for one prefer XB1 for the simple fact I've been down with xbox since the first. Im not gonna hound PS fans talk in circles about something that has yet to be released. To even argue about it is ridiculous and some of you sound like children arguing over which power ranger is better. Im not a technical guy but I know what I like and honestly I think thats what it boils down to...

TimothyCollins
TimothyCollins

You know, I have to wonder what the focus on spec numbers really is here. Basically both systems are going to run their games and entertainment really well. I doubt a human being is going to notice any difference between them.

p.plactere
p.plactere

i knew after the first paragraph that this was someone who had their mind set on an xbox.  Thank god i didn't have to finish the article.  Any idiot knows that the machine with the better specs is a better machine.  If not you are just ignorant. 

Yudhistir
Yudhistir

There was nothing factual in this article. Just a lazy response to a staggering claim. 50% faster, I dont think so, performance depends upon how optimized the game is for that platform, however whats under the hood is always under the hood and cannot be upgraded. Thats the disadvantage consoles have against PC's. Once you buy it, you are stuck with it. Cannot change anything about it. So, Raw specifications matter, as they are what will be available for Optimizing any Game and get the best output. 

PS4 's GDDR5 is way better than Xbox One's GDDR3

Comparing it the RAM type available in PC Graphic Cards, GDDR3 was available in 2007 whereas GDDR5 was launched in 2012

So, Xbox One is 5 years behind the PS4

PS4's RAM runs at 5500 MHz which is more than TWICE the speed of Xbox One's 2133 MHz

PS4 has Better Memory and Running at a Faster Rate

PS4' Memory Bandwidth of 176.0 GB/s is again More than TWICE of Xbox One's Memory Bandwidth of 68.3 GB/s 

32 MB if eSRAM cannot make up for this

PS4's 1152 Cores are way higher than Xbox One's 768 Cores

This difference of 384 Cores is Huge

Due to this difference, PS4 has 1.84 TFLOPS of Peak Shader Output vs 1.23 TFLOPS of Xbox One

PS4 is going to be $100 Cheaper than Xbox One

For Less amount of Money you are getting a way better configuration

The Above are the Main Differences between the two - RAW Facts

You dont have to be a Genius to accept the difference, you just dont have to be Ignorant about it

Make the Wise Choice, in the end, its your hard earned Money on the line

As for me, I aint going to buy either of them till next year June

By that time, it will be all clear whether developers can harness the RAW performance of PS4 or not

Till then and even post that I am Happy Gaming on my PC

RodneyHoek
RodneyHoek

This author must have been paid good money for his article, i see Microsoft isn't done tricking people.


To say that the ps4 being 50% better then the Xbox one is an exaggeration is one thing, but completely dismissing it and say that paying more and getting something you don't want and are not gonna use is the better deal is ridiculous. You are like Fox news now, just making stuff up simply because you disagree with people.


Do you realize what year this is? It's 20 freaking 13, a year ago everyone was broke and our countries were burning down. Im sure there are a group of people out there that are still recovering. That $100 extra for a shiny webcam DOES matter no matter what your bought article or MS tells us.


No the PS4 being 50% isn't what is pushing me to by it over the One, it's the fact that its $100 cheaper, that is the main reason I'm getting the PS4. Oh what is this? Its also stronger then the One?Yes please I'll take that one. It's really simple, the  stronger machine for $400 or the weaker machine for $500. Even if the PS4 is only 5% better then the One the PS4 is still better then the One and you pay $100 less for it. It's freaking clear that the Ps4 is a stronger machine then the Xbox One that is FACT, by how much is the only thing you can debate.


So the consoles will have to complete with Smartphones and Tablets? To start of the Xbox will be competing with tablets and smartphones from behind the PS4, not only that. The PS4 actually has some things that are competing with the smartphone and tablets, their controller, the tablets works in many ways just like the phones and tablets, so they may be able to steal away some consumers from those machines. MS is stealing people away from webcams and Nintendo (Wii). Now only did people start getting bored of the movement gaming because there was very little advancement in them. The Wii was much cheaper then the other consoles, which made it easy for people that only wanted it for that to buy it, do you really expect those old people in old folks homes to go out and buy the One to be able to have the movement gaming experience? Don't forget Nintendo is still around, they have a new console for those people which is again much cheaper then the other 2 and that has games that they want. The WiiU may lack games for "real" gamers but they have plenty of those games that all those people bought the Wii for.



Now onto your last point. NO licensing deals and peripherals DO NOT MATTER, no matter what you say or what MS want us to believe.USA is only a tiny part of the world population, if those deals don't affect 80% of the consumers it won't matter and even to those that can use it, MOST of them will not get any use from it.



The ONE thing that matters is the games and the is the only valid point you have in this article. Even then it won't make much of a difference, for every exclusive that Xbox One has PS4 has something similar.  For every AMAZING exclusive PS4 has Xbox One will have an AMAZING exclusive as well. Even if  both consoles has great exclusives this is a big part of what will push people into buying one game or another. If you want to play Halo you will have to get a Xbox One if you want to play Uncharted you will have to get a PS4. For MOST people the fact that you can't play certain games on the one consoles will not force them to buy a certain console, the bigger selection of games will make that fact less important.


I hope whatever you buy with the money you got paid to write this biased article breaks the first time you use it.

alcinuous
alcinuous

Is the author really serious, saying does it matter?! As a consumer I want my money's worth, for 399USD, I'll be getting 50% more power than a system, (which is mainly supposed to be a gaming system) that cost 100USD more....Lets be serious allegedly or not, Sony is giving a better product for the consumers money this time around!!!

LawrenceStanton
LawrenceStanton

I have a PC and i'll be buying an Xbox One. Might buy a PS4 down the road but that's up for debate. The exclusives on Xbox pummel those on the PS. Also you have to remember that the PS3 had all the advantages over the Xbox as well yet I never noticed a difference between the two. So realistically they can have their "50% advantage" all they want. We will see what happens when both consoles come out.

JohnFoster
JohnFoster

I have always stood by PlayStation, I have had them all, I bought an Xbox 360 mainly for the media centre integration with HomeServer, I still have it to this day, 7+ years on, on the other hand I have had 4 PS3's one after the other, 3 required compound replacement, 2 of the 4 PS3 the BluRay drive stopped working, I have 2 ps3's left one without a drive, using it for media only, I think it is a mixture of luck from one user to the next, I have an XBox one on order, and cannot wait, especially for the controller precision feedback, the xbox glass and the kinect but will still buy the PS4 as I am a loyal fan, has anyone seen smart glass with Tom Clancy's The Division? WOW

masterofpuppets242
masterofpuppets242

MY PS3 lasted 6 years its its 7 year span....thats more then the xbox user can say...not 1 not 2 not 3....all my friends with xbox has had more then 1...its ridiculous...even its the same performance...as long as it last who cares

rumblin
rumblin

the "power" "speed" of the machine are perceived as how long the machine will "last". in a world were computers and technology  double there "speed" and "power" every 2 years or so ,  how much "longevity" the machine is importation because the machines are ment to last 5+ years if you look at the ps3 is on the market for 8 years and i still have my original in working order

Travis1987
Travis1987

ps4 fanboys live in their own little world where ps4 is president, they are extremely annoying mammals and should be ignored, they have the superior console apparently yet they are the ones constantly moaning, strange 

ManicDBB
ManicDBB

Completely unnecessary insult of bipolar people; thanks for including that.

BryanRoman
BryanRoman

Power means nothing as long as they are in the same ballpark(sorry wii u). the only thing that matters are the games and how they play offline and on. also btw well written article.

MichealGray
MichealGray

look at it this way its taken 10 years just for big publishers like rockstar to really push the current gen. consoles to their peaks. next gen. consoles even if the xbox one is apparently 50 percent less performance wont make a difference for years to come, only small devs who don't really know what their doing are going to complain about it as they don't know how or dont have the resources to optimise their games properly.

another point to make is most devs wanting to make as much cash as possible will create their games on both platforms working with the weaker hardware first, so most games are always going to be optimised to run on the xbox one first and then maybe an unnoticeable amount of quality added for the ps4 if they can be bothered, which they probably wont.

oh and lets not forget about when the ps3 came out, it was supposed to be the better console with more raw power yet it was still beaten by xbox even after the xbox suffered the red ring for ages. this is because microsoft know how to use their hardware not just cram as much in as possible. 

for instance i cant remember by how much but sonys ps4's OS takes a lot more ram than the xbox one will, either way i could go on but in my own personal opinion the only real difference your going to see are the controllers and the OS, games apart from exclusives are just gunna be pretty much the same on both consoles if off course sony finally fixed their terrible online features.

we will find out which console is truly better next year after the death toll has gone down a bit over this.

MatthewAustin
MatthewAustin

Wow. The most intellectual video game related article I've seen in a while. Kudos. 

djjdiss
djjdiss

Wow, nice to see an intelligently  written thought provoking article amongst a sea of loyalist regurgitated garbage. It's unfortunate that the net is littered with baseless claims that only brew conjecture. I almost feel that microsoft was right when they said the media is to blame for all the negativity and subsequent reversals that took place afterwards.

Talking tech with gamers is like teachig japanese to an earthworm. Hell i'd prefer the earthworm over people...

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atheistknight21
atheistknight21

Hey I got a really good source that claims the end of the world is coming soon. I got my facts from him and you should trust him bc hes all powerful. what you dont believe me? ask him. oh wait you cant bc that would be revealing his identity. well you just have to trust me on this bc hes knows what hes talking about. 

Kazriko
Kazriko

@TheChosenChief Honestly, the Cell processor comparison is a better parallel for the Cloud processing and special coprocessors on the Xbox One... The PS4's advantages are clearcut, numerically defined and are all well known processes and methods of development, whereas Xbox's advantages are more nebulous, questionable, and difficult to develop for, like the Cell processor was. 

MatthewBryant
MatthewBryant

@JonteMcKines Are you seriously arguing that consumers shouldn't do any research before they buy a console and should only purchase one because of brand loyalty?  That power of the console and potential for better games shouldn't play a part in which console a consumer purchases?  Look, if you want to buy the Xbox One go for it.  If the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One that WILL influence some consumer's decisions on which console to buy.  If it IS 50% more powerful then Microsoft has to justify why their console costs more money.  They need to show gamers how Kinect is worth the extra money, because the Xbox One should be cheaper than the PS4 from a console perspective.  If Kinect isn't a value to gamers, and Microsoft has yet to show how it is apart from a fitness game, some TV functionality, and UI navigation, then why am I paying $100 more for a console that doesn't play games as well?  Stop pretending that people are being ridiculous for talking about a system's power.  No, they aren't.  This is a very legitimate discussion.

JakeBoone
JakeBoone

@TimothyCollins I agree to a point. I hate to sound like a fanboy but with the extensive library of games slotted for the Xbox one and exclusives bundled with the robust media aspect of it.  I sense that it will be the console of choice for today's gamer.

kenshin.akha
kenshin.akha

@Yudhistir 

XB1 uses DDR3, which isn't made for graphics. Also, GDDR5 has been out since 2008 on ATI cards.

-384 cores is about 33% difference. It is large for consoles a few years back, but don't look only at GPU cores and FLOP output. There's more to games than graphics (not to mention, there's 15 or so special processors in the XB1 SOC that offloads work for the CPU and GPU for special tasks).

PS4 is $100 cheaper because they decided to not include PS-Eye. XB1's Kinect is likely a large part of the XB1 experience.

So in the end, it's more like: You get what you pay for. PS4 has a stronger GPU and better ram, but they don't have the things the XB1 have. It's a compromise. Pick whatever you want. Just don't go pushing wrong facts around without analyzing as much as possible. Or better yet, just wait until the consoles out and THEN compare. Right now, it's pointless, literally because we can argue in circles for who knows how long.

JakeBoone
JakeBoone

@RodneyHoek how is it biased to point out that the article that was pushed out about the PS4 being 50% faster is mere speculation from unconfirmed sources. I call that unbiased. The author made no mention of what one was better or sided with either. 

kenshin.akha
kenshin.akha

@RodneyHoek 

Well, obviously you dislike MS, so you're going to see everything MS do as "tricking people." News flash, most likely he isn't paid by MS. If he did, then we might as well say a lot of people are paid by Sony to repeatedly say the same boring thing about the difference between XB1's and PS4's GPU.

Oh btw, did you know Sony also wanted to implement DRM like XB1's, and they also wanted to push their Eye thing? That's why the PS4 controllers have a big blue bar infront. Except here's the difference. PS4 decided to 180 early and play the "good old safe route." Boring. Absolutely boring. Now you know where PS4 gets the PS3.5 name from right? It doesn't bring anything "new" to the gaming world.

I like that MS is taking the risk to push for a new generation of consoles. They're getting burned for it lol. But they listen to people and they're adjusting. They even said we'll one day see digital sharing and selling too, which is a huge plus (and PS4 will do the same thing probably).

I like how you disregard the tech inside the Kinect, despite the potential uses and already shown usage of the device. Whatever, your choice. At least I can trust XB1 will have a much better UI experience, and usage experience and have games also developed for it. I can't say the same thing about the PS-Eye since Sony decided to take it out now.

Let me ask you. Is $100 a lot? Sure, depending on your salary. $400 is already a lot, and I can simply say "Hey look, PS4 doesn't give me anything more than my PC does except for a couple of exclusives." I'm not stupid enough to buy a $400 dollar system for just 1-2 games that interest me. But on the other hand, XB1 has about 1-2 games I'm interested in too, and it offers an experience I can't ever get on my PC. It's $100 more, but I can get a lot more variety of usage and experience out of it.

Also, one of the points I made in my posts earlier is that the "more powerf" stuff is HIGHLY blown out of proportions by Sony fans. Hey, also, I'm actually a fan of all consoles, but the behavior of the sony fan group really makes you not want to associate yourself with them. So I try to play "the outsider" when viewing both systems. Honestly, PS4 just has a stronger GPU with a superior main memory for graphics texture. That's just around 30-40% stronger based on paper specs.

Paper specs. Got it? Tell me, who here is an expert on both consoles? Who here has access to the hundreds of pages of hardware designs of both these systems? I don't see anyone here. So what can we do? We can eat of the PR specs they feed us. All we get from that is that the PS4 has more FLOPs and shaders than the XB1. That's it. But with the recent Hotchips conference on the XB1 SOC, we have a lot more interesting things to say now. For sure the GPU alone in PS4 is stronger, but don't forget that these consoles are for games! Games! Games is what's important here! Not the GPU only or the memory or a single thing! The XB1's SOC has dedicated processor units for a lot of tasks such as audio processing, and possibly physics and a handful of other things. We haven't seen it all revealed yet, but we know for certain the specialized audio processor unit in it is quite stronger than PS4's, which is just a codec that uses the GPU to process audio.

It's the whole package that a lot of people are missing. But at this point, PS4 has too many fans already. Even if you are technical, you're going to get FLAMED and bashed in for daring to say both systems are on par even. You get people who regurgitate technical stuff thinking they're good at it, but they're not, and they usually selectively pick parts out. Basically, people are biased, and I am too a bit, but I'm going to try to be as logical as possible and argue as technically as I can.

JakeBoone
JakeBoone

@alcinuous not when everyone who buys a PS4 buys the eye for 60 bucks or so. 

LawrenceStanton
LawrenceStanton

@alcinuous It only matters if the developers actually take advantage of it. Which I doubt they will. Just look at the PS3. Everything just looked the same for the cross platform games.

JakeBoone
JakeBoone

@LawrenceStanton agreed. I have favored Xbox for one reason. Better games and whole lot more of them and better exclusives. I too never saw the difference between the PS3 and the Xbox 360. I would rather see Sony develop a system that takes advantage of what developers are capable of right now rather than try and make a system that developers have to try and build games for.

MatthewBryant
MatthewBryant

@LawrenceStanton You obviously never played The Last of Us.  Either that or you're half-blind or in denial.  The Xbox 360 had no game that even came remotely close to The Last of Us graphically.  Reality exists.

MatthewBryant
MatthewBryant

@JohnFoster The PS4 has a documented failure rate that's WAY below the Xbox 360's, especially if you have an older model.  Never had a problem with any of my PS3s.  Don't know what to tell you.  You got unlucky.  Like 1 in 1,000 (quite literally) unlucky.  Sorry.  Life sucks sometimes.

JakeBoone
JakeBoone

@Travis1987 Agreed. I won't disagree that the PS4 has some slight advantage in the hardware sector but I KNOW XBox will give me way more in terms of games and media use than the PS4 can and that's what sells me. 

MatthewBryant
MatthewBryant

@ManicDBB The whole article is a completely unnecessary insult toward people with common sense.

hemmy
hemmy

@MichealGray

"for instance i cant remember by how much but sonys ps4's OS takes a lot more ram than the xbox one will'


Jonathan Blow's game, The Witness, consumes 5GB memory. Which is what X1 Devs have to play with as well.

JakeBoone
JakeBoone

@MatthewBryant @JonteMcKines You know this whole Kinect argument is a moot point anyway. A majority of people who buy the ps4 will buy the new eye and that is going to be around 60 bucks making the price difference between the 2 minimal. The Kinect is already more powerful that the ps3 eye and will dominate it with this new version. There's no argument to be there. The problem with sony is that they don't produce the games necessary to take advantage of the so called better hardware. They have very few exclusives and the ones they do have aren't that great. This focus on the PS4 for people who game strictly is old. The majority of people buying these consoles are going to be young adults and older. I know for myself I want a console that does more than just play games. This is where the xbox one will dominate regardless if the PS4 has some slight, and I do mean slight, advantage regarding hardware. What smart people are really going to look at is the fact that Xbox has way more great titles and exclusives, superior online network, and a more robust system capable of more than just playing games v.s already published framerate issues, limited selection of titles and exclusives that take advantage of the supposedly better hardware. Gamers have grown up and we need more than a machine that JUST plays games, especially for the price these consoles cost these days. I predict Xbox one will dominate the PS4 in the coming year. 

kenshin.akha
kenshin.akha

@MatthewBryant @JonteMcKines 

You know that's exactly what I've been trying to point out to you. The more research I do, the more I realize... these systems are just simply very close in terms of gaming power. So what does that mean? Wait until it's out to see, but the point of consoles is literally for the experience the console offers in its ecosystem and the games. The paper-spec hardware differences mean moot if you really want to dig into the technical details of both consoles.

You know what game I'm pretty excited about for 2014? Project Spark. That's one pretty innovative game that uses Kinect a lot. I'm also pretty excited for Titanfall and BF4 because I can play those on my PC, supposedly at better graphics than a PS4 and XB1 if we're just talking about raw GPU power.

This guy has a point though. Get what you like. The graphics differences will be negligible this generation too. At this point, we already have some people BSing stuff about power between consoles.

TimothyCollins
TimothyCollins

@JakeBoone @TimothyCollins I'll be honest - the determining factor for me is not the specs, it is the presence of the Kinect. I enjoy using my xbox 360 for exercising and therefore the kinect is a non-negotiable part of the system - I need something like that present as standard equipment. And the PS Eye is simply not up to the standards of even the current Kinect, let alone the Kinect 2.

Others might have different considerations of course and more power to them. If people didn't have different opinions then there would be no horse races... But for me, Kinect is the deciding factor.

Kazriko
Kazriko

@kenshin.akha Heh, clever trick.

768 cores is 66.6% of 1152, so yes, it's 33.3% Slower. But 1152 is 50% higher than 768. Depending on the direction you go, it can be either 33% slower, or 50% faster. Both numbers are correct. Of course those who support Sony will use the higher number, while those who support Microsoft will use the lower number. Misleading through statistics is fun, isn't it?

Those 1152 graphics cores can be used for things other than graphics as well. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they did GPU based audio processing with the PS4. The PS4 actually has slightly more useful GPU capabilities than the Xbox One, primarily because it is a full hUMA system built on the AMD/ARM/etc HSA standard. That means that data is universally accessible across the entire range of processors on the SOC, and you can do neat tricks like rapidly shifting processing of a bit of data between the CPU and GPU to gain the best utilization of both units. 

Xbox One has the separate ESRam that isn't hUMA with the rest of the system, so to utilize GPGPU is going to be slower because you have to use the move units to move the data back and forth for processing between the two chips, adding complexity to developing for the system. Of course, very little in the first generation of software will be using hUMA/HSA style instructions, so this difference won't really apply for awhile.

Kinect is a net negative for me. I hate motion controls.

Kazriko
Kazriko

@kenshin.akha @RodneyHoek They have revealed the special processors for the Xbox One. Audio is one, you're right. The others are dedicated move units for transferring data between the two blocks of memory, a task that isn't necessary on the PS4. It also has dedicated units for doing HDMI decoding, compression, overlaying and decompression. These are primarily necessary for the HDMI Input and TV overlay features that are exclusive to the Xbox One. 

The PS4 instead just has dedicated processing for video compression for its Gaikai remote streaming and share functionality. We don't know about their audio processors, but I'm sure that they can more than make up for a few audio DSPs via GPGPU capabilities.

That faster main memory isn't just for graphics textures, but all GPU related functionality including GPGPU tasks.

RodneyHoek
RodneyHoek

@MatthewBryant @JohnFoster The failure rate may be very low on PS3 but for this poster that likely doesn't matter.


For him the odds may feel like 7/1, even if in reality  its 1/10000, impression like that are hard to get rid of, at least the poster isn't holding that against Sony he is acknowledging that he likely just had bad luck. Still because impression are hard to change, he is going with MS early on for the next gen, but I'm assuming he enjoyed the times he could play his games on the PS3. He doesn't give Microsoft side more credit then they deserve, except on the precision controller part (Sony's controllers aren't precise?). He shows that he is interested in the Kinect and Smart Glass, but doesn't expect them to do magic.


If everyone that was thinking of getting a Xbox One could be like him, we would all be in a much better place.

MatthewBryant
MatthewBryant

@JakeBoone @MatthewBryant @JonteMcKines Why on earth would you believe that most people will buy the PS Eye?  Most people who owned a PS3 didn't buy the camera for it and most people who owned a 360 didn't buy the Kinect.  I can't imagine why this generation would be any different.  If Xbox One didn't come with the new Kinect it wouldn't be bought by a majority of people either.  Most core gamers don't like motion control, and that's definitely the largest demographic for Sony and Microsoft.

The PS4 has a pretty substantial advantage when it comes to hardware.  You're ignorant.  Sorry.  You can't pretend the PS4's GPU isn't considerably more powerful and that GDDR5 doesn't give the PS4 a huge advantage for reflections, LOD, and texture streaming.  You're wrong.

onewhohopes
onewhohopes

@kenshin.akha @MatthewBryant @JonteMcKines  

If you told me six months ago that I would now have pre-ordered a PS4, I would have given you a dirty look.  For me it doesn't even have anything to do with the system power (not that that isn't a HUGE plus).  Microsoft showed their true colors in trying to DRM everything and force online connection (I actually would have liked to see their VERY innovative cloud ideas, but the DRM backlash killed that).  The main problem is that I know where they want to take the industry, and I don't like that.  Also XBL as a community has deteriorated vastly since I first plugged in.

As for the specs, my vote is with PS4's more tried-and-true architecture initially, but as the new tech on XB1 matures it may come close to making up for some of the other shortcomings.  Also, having dealt with the inferior graphical capabilities of the 360 (not to mention having to get a new one 3 times over its life) I am more than ready to get on the more powerful platform.


But, as you mentioned, there is a lot to be said about community and ecosystem.  Everyone I know is getting (most converting to) a PS4, so this is part of my reason.  Also, the PS4 is more geared toward the games I enjoy playing.

JakeBoone
JakeBoone

@TimothyCollins @JakeBoone I too appreciate what the Kinect can do and so does my family. I am a entertainment media junkie so the media aspect of the One is right up my alley. If I am going to spend that kind of money whether it's 400 or 500 it needs to do more than just play games.

tjglendinning
tjglendinning

@Kazriko @kenshin.akha PS4's exclusives are going to be nuts because they will use that higher end.  Have you seen the new footage for Beyond Two Souls?  You should see the PS3s graphics on that. Wow.