PlayStation Network Down for Fifth Day as Sony ‘Rebuilds’ from ‘Intrusion’ (Updated)

A holiday weekend without Portal 2 or Mortal Kombat matchups, a five-day grand total of uninterrupted void, and yes, Sony’s PlayStation Network remains in the fetal position as we pull into Monday, April 25.

[UPDATE: Sony Admits Personal Info at Risk, Claims PSN Back Up In a Week]

We still know virtually nothing about what happened, or why. Sony says the outage is its own fault, that it shut the PlayStation Network down preemptively after an “external intrusion.” The implication is thus that the PSN might have continued to run otherwise. Sony shut things down voluntarily to ensure things were smooth “going forward.”

That’s as dramatic a move as they come. It’s Sony admitting the PlayStation Network had fatal security and performance holes. What else would prompt the world’s fifth largest media monolith to–without warning last Wednesday, April 20–cut off over 70 million PSN customers, then keep them offline for going on a week?

Sony’s latest informational update, posted on Saturday, reiterates that both the PlayStation Network and Qriocity (Sony’s media streaming service) have been “suspended”:

Our efforts to resolve this matter involve re-building our system to further strengthen our network infrastructure. Though this task is time-consuming, we decided it was worth the time necessary to provide the system with additional security.

My bet is that Sony was aware, well before this outage, that the PlayStation Network had certain innate and terminal vulnerabilities. The network was brought low recently due to attacks by hacktivist group Anonymous. No doubt Sony’s network and systems engineers had their plates full poring over router and server logs, identifying holes, applying band-aids, and positing long-term solutions. Those solutions likely involved re-architecting the system to bolster its defenses. In fact I’d wager Sony’s info-tech elite already put it in the form of an ultimatum to Sony corporate, something like “Either do this, or we’re operating with a target on our backs.” This latest “intrusion” (Anonymous claims it wasn’t involved) simply served as an “opportunity” to implement those changes.

I called the outage a “disaster” for Sony last Thursday, which it was, already, at that time. I’m not sure what to call it fours days on, but if this rebuild doesn’t solve the problem (and what better way to unintentionally goad a hydra-headed enemy than to imply you’ve built a better “unsinkable” ship?) calling it a “disaster’s” going to by contrast sound like putting lipstick on a bandicoot.

Update: Sony spokesperson Patrick Seybold just popped another missive off via the PlayStation blog, stating they “don’t have an update or timeframe to share at this point in time.”

As we previously noted, this is a time intensive process and we’re working to get them back online quickly. We’ll keep you updated with information as it becomes available. We once again thank you for your patience.

The possibility’s also been raised that customer info may have been extracted during the “intrusion.” Speaking to PC World, Sony Computer Entertainment Japan spokesperson Satoshi Fukuoka said the company “has not yet determined if the personal information or credit card numbers of users have been compromised, but that Sony would promptly inform users if it found that was the case.”

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  • http://officialmagicpg.wordpress.com officialmagicpg

    Though many Playstation consumers are enraged that their online functionality has been compromised, the real “Nail in the Coffin” for Sony is that they offer no information to the people that made them what they are today. Many users were self diagnosing the problems during the initial shut down. The messages left by Sony on the site are vague. Sony needs to realize that their end users are a lot smarter than what they are being given credit for. When these users are treated as insignificant pieces of the “Playstation Nation”, how can you not expect groups like “Anon” and other individual parties to come to action? I have been doing some research and come to find that “Anon” has released statements claiming no responsibility. They go on to say that their attacks (DDOS) were directed to Sony and not PSN (Playstation Network) as they are not trying to hurt the end user. It was Sony who shut down the PSN as they should have. I do not believe that Sony owes its users any compensation for the shut down, However I do believe that Sony needs to put all the questions to an end. Let users know whether their Financial info is safe or not, give users a “realistic” estimated time-frame for completion, Admit that they have many flaws in the security parameters and that they are working to fix them. They need to apologize for the lack of communication. This is a Multi-Billion dollar organization and the way they are handling this situation is embarrassing.

  • http://gloomdoom.wordpress.com nagan

    This is terrible on sony to treat customers like this… I wil never view sony the same… Im already considering selling my ps3 and in future maybe stay away from sony products…

    Sony is no more the world class innovator of quality products… Their psn has shown how terrible their quality is….

  • http://digitaldementia.wordpress.com DigitalDementia

    @nagan you’re seriously joking right? Let’s look at it this way, all of you’re credit card information, FB password, netflix password, etc. is all on PSN (did I mention credit card?) if there was a security hole in the PSN that allowed these “intruders” to access all of your passwords and run rampid with all of your personal information and life savings because Sony didn’t shut down PSN as a courtesy to you and your otherwise meaningless life?

    Every machine will break down no matter how well oiled and maintained it may be, one day everything breaks. Not to mention the day YOU become an innovator of technology and host your own gaming network for 70+ million users and it is flawless then, and only then can you judge Sony and their “inability” to create “quality” products.

    Sony has done an amazing job at maintaining PSN and it’s quality, and has kept it running almost flawlessly for years for FREE and you have the testicular fortitude to complain about a week of no online games?

    Now in case you start whining and saying how XBOX is better I’d Google http://goo.gl/3nLEl because they’re certainly no better at maintaining their own network (not that PSN is down because the servers are messed up it was shut down entirely by Sony’s own hand)

  • pfusco1211

    @DigitalDemtia you said ‘testicular fortitude’ hehe

  • http://playerkronos.wordpress.com usmctunny

    @DigitalDementia you’re seriously joking right?If I buy a PS3 because one of the selling points is free online and then its down I have every right to judge or comment on it.If the blue ray quit i’m not supposed to be upset because according to Sony advertising I got it for free with the PS3?
    And I guess if I buy a new car and it won’t run for five days I can’t say anything because i haven’t designed or built one for 70+ million users?
    While I agree with you five days is no big deal to suffer through without online I have every right to voice my opinion on the matter.
    And I believe there is more to the story than what we know so far

  • http://rstreb1.wordpress.com rstreb1

    I think all of you are right but @usmctunny when you said there is more to this than we know your right. There was a message going around PSN right before the shutdown and it was a fwd message that said that PSN was going to be like x-box and we would have to pay for a subscribtion. the message also said that if you sent that message that you would get the new map pack for free. and it said that PSN was tracking that message because if 200,000 people got the message that the “protest” would make sony relize that we dont want to pay and keep it free. Now tell me that something doesnt sound right.

  • http://lindseyaldridge.wordpress.com ladybuckeye08

    I am glad that they shut down the network because I wouldn’t want my information stolen. Everyone is upset because they turned off the network, well could imagine how angry people would have been if their information got stolen. I think they made a very smart descision as a company. However, I think they should keep us updated more frequently, with more detail. I do agree with DigitalDementia that everything does break.. but our PS3′s have not broken, just the psn was shut down for our own benefit. I am not mad at all I am actually thankful that they turned off the PSN. Like I said i just wish they would keep us updated more frequently instead of leaving us wondering and speculating. :)

  • http://regularjoeblogs.wordpress.com regularjoeblogs

    “I called the outage a “disaster” for Sony last Thursday, which it was, already, at that time. I’m not sure what to call it fours days on,”

    I don’t know, but I’d be interested to know what you call Microsoft’s 15 day Xbox Live outage…

    Of course nobody in the media talks about that, as nobody can afford to piss of Microsoft and their bottomless advertising budget….

    Oh the media bias, don’t you just love it. I’m betting right now you let are getting cheques from Redmond for writing this tripe.

  • http://bigsalley.wordpress.com bigsalley

    Well I think both @digitalDementia, and @usmctunny has a point. First I think there is more to then we know; as @usmctunny stated. I will have to agree with @digitalDementia how can you complain about something you are receiving that is free. I would be more pissed if I was paying for the service, and it was interrupted without notice.

    The only thing I think Sony could have done was give a better notification. They had me running back and forth between my 16 years old son, and 6 years old son’s PS3 thinking my was on the fritz.

    The analogy about you buying a car, and it not starting for 5 days is not a good @usmctunny, but you do have a right to voice your concerns.

  • mysorrowendz

    @DigitalDementia I agree with usmctunny. You sound like a die hard playstation fan but the fact is they left us in the dark about the situation, which is what what the concern’s here are about. They depend on us to be loyal to their products but offer no explanation to the sudden lack of service. It’s bad business no matter how you look at it and Sony has been known for such a “diva” attitude within the gaming industry. purposely Putting 70+ million users in the dark without notification is a bit odd. Had you not looked it up to find out what the speculation is, would you even know why. The sad part is sony knows once the PSN is back up we’ll forget they even handled in a unprofessional way.

  • http://digitaldementia.wordpress.com DigitalDementia

    @usmctunny I said nothing of the sorts. I said that calling the quality of PSN and Sony’s product line “bad quality” due to a simple outage of the network initiated by PSN due to an infiltration is no reason to question the quality of Sony’s products.

    PSN was shut down for the safety of our information and for that I am glad.

    As for your analogies they make no sense. PSN being shut down for a week to protect your information is not the same as a bluray player dying because that wasn’t just made inoperable for a few days and started working again, not to mention the whole car one, really? If anything it would be more like someone died in a fiery crash because a member of the factory who put them together sabotaged the break lines to blow after a few hundred miles and the car was recalled to be fixed for five days for your safety. A car wouldn’t just not work for five days that’s just silly.

    I’m not saying people can’t complain sure whatever makes you happy. If crying because you can’t play black-ops or portal 2 co-op really makes your life worth living again by all means have a big old cry, just don’t complain about the quality of Sony’s products because they shut down a FREE service for five days (and counting). One more thing your car analogy is also dumb on the basis I’m talking about a free service. If you were awarded a free car and it ran for 5+ years then stopped working for five days I don’t think I’d really be complaining that much at all, and if you are you’d have to be one ungrateful bast*rd.

  • http://jayrramos.wordpress.com jayrramos

    look everyone is upset for one reason only and that is because they cant log into the ps3 network im ok with what sony is doing as long as there protecting our info though sony should have came out and said we are having some problems and we will fix asap thats all that we ask for. other than that im ok with it all though i do miss my modern warefare

  • http://digitaldementia.wordpress.com DigitalDementia

    @mysorrowendz I haven’t once stated they are dealing with this situation in an unprofessional manner. I haven’t defended the way in which sony took it’s actions just the actions that they took.

    To be honest I don’t think Sony really knows the extent of the damage from the “intrusion” and how can one be expected to make a full detailed report on something one does not know? Does not being able to comment on a murder case that has just started make a detective unprofessional? Would spreading rumor and speculation to the press make said detective more credible and professional to the public eye if what he said made no sense or connection to the actual investigation when the case was solved? I think not.

    Just shutting us off abruptly is unprofessional but protecting our information and looking out for our best interest is indeed professional. They had to act quick and I’m sure will more than compensate for the inconvenience once the time has come, much like that xbox outage where microsoft paid millions in “damages”.

  • http://slusser1234.wordpress.com slusser1234

    I understand that the Playstation Network is free to use unlike some other services, and for the majority of the time their network runs well. Sony does use this as a selling point to stand out from their competition, but even with the network being free, a large portion of the more popular games Sony and their 3rd party publishers are pushing have a strong online element to the game play, and with some can not even be played off line. Sony makes money from selling you those games usually at $60 a pop for a hot new title. One day of the network being down is acceptable but this is going on almost a week now, unacceptable

  • http://thatsyouropinion1.wordpress.com heyitstna

    I agree with DIGITAL.

    Seriously most people paid $200-$400 for their ps3. With all its features, being able to play online is a def BONUS especially since its FREE. And it can’t even be close to compared to buying a car and it not running because if your car breaks your out of luck and stuck paying for the repairs. The PSN is down, but its getting fixed AND updated FOR FREE. Yeah maybe they haven’t told us a 100% whats going on but it could be a very good reason. In the case is was intruders who caused the problem then its a war. And you don’t send out an email to your enemy telling them how you plan to defense their attacks…!!!

    If this happened on my xbox I would be pissed because you pay to play online. But I don’t for PS3, everything else still works fine and THANK GOODNESS They are taking care of this because I would like all my personal info and credit cards to remain MY personal info and credit cards!

    So what do we have here.
    Yes, the service is down and it sucks.
    But its being fixed and updated for free.
    Your personal info is still safe.
    And at least once its done, it should be done RIGHT instead of half ass.
    I think they are handling it fairly.

  • http://doodirt.wordpress.com doodirt

    i am goin to xbox…. sony takin to long

  • http://route66uk.wordpress.com route66uk

    Unreal comments. DigitalDimentia is totally correct. It’s a shame these days that so often people get things supplied to them for FREE then whine and moan about it.. Of course that’s typical of people who live in ‘social’ housing…

  • http://fatgamer94.wordpress.com fatgamer94

    isn’t there rumor servers should start coming back online between today and tomorrow?

  • ipisking

    It’s getting warm in here :-) I hope after the network returns back in service that Sony will post a small technical brief of the root cause and what was done to fix the outage.

    This would be very good information for people that run large networks. And I hope they share some of the information with the outside world.

  • http://digitaldementia.wordpress.com DigitalDementia

    @mysorrowendz and one more thing. So you mean to tell me you don’t get your information from reading articles on the internet or watching the news? You just simply know? Well in that case I’m sorry that not all of us are so blessed. Since you don’t need to look up your information to argue informatively (like myself) so not everyone is posting blatantly moronic comments that have no backing to them why don’t you tell us what’s happening. By all means please do!

    ;)

  • http://doubleaughtcode.wordpress.com doubleaughtc0de

    Look on the forums for HyJaxLTD. He is the reason Sony became aware of the exploits they are working hard to correct. It is true that Sony tok the initial servers down, but were unaware of ALL the steps necessary to remedy the Unix infection that had control of their servers. Its why it seemed like they were being hacked. My guess is that by Thursday evening they realised the scope of the exploit and the requirement to shut down and re-install EVERY PSN SERVER with a fresh server operating enviroment. Thats when the mainenance message started accuring. BTW…SCEA can personally ask Nolan Hass(SCEA Dir Consumer Affairs) why he knew about such things but failed to react properly over two years ago.

    As far as Anon being behind it. No. I beleive that Anon, or at least its main support group, is honest about how they plan to deal with Sony without putting to much starin on its consumers, who are just as much a slave to SCEA Dev. as anyone. While I do not approve of their support for (a) GeeHesNot, I can say it sounds like their new attack on executives information being released is sound and so long as it is not used against the families, perfectly pratical. Imagine how much faster things will be dealt with if the CEO of Sony has to deal with his message service being filled with customer complaints. Itll be fixed by the end of the day.

    Regardless, thank you HyJax for risking your PSN(forum only) account to get things happeneing that ACTUALLY benefit the enduser and our security. Im sick of seeing PSN packets exploit my home netwrok. Hopefully, this will give us(the end users) some actualy security into our actual PS3\’s to prevent crap such as this.

  • http://jayfrayhtc.wordpress.com jayfrayhtc

    @mysorrowendz You’re absolutely right. I won’t forget. I traded in my Playstation3 and got an xbox360. For theses reasons. (1) Netflix, I pay to use this and well watching it on a 15″ laptop vs a 50″ tv just doens’t cut it for me and the fact that i may no longer access it till they get their sh!t together pee’s me off. I know you can access it still but I tried everyhting signing in 20 times nothing get a popup saying “there was a problem….” anywho! (2) DCUO monthly subscription. Ok i know its no big deal but its still an issue. Say you drop your wallet and I hold you back and say jimmy here takes money from your wallet not all but some, while you sit there and watch. Thats wrong right? Will people with certain monthly subscription be compensated? I don’t like xbox360 but its like that old saying “you get what you pay for” and well if MS went down for say this duration they would have to compensate for it. Buh xbox360… now i gotta figure out this heap pile haha

  • http://volunteeringforfun.wordpress.com volunteeringforfun

    I hope Sony is repaying the time lost to customers. I do not own one my self but I assume there is a monthly fee to have the PlayStation online or even downloaded rental games that cannot be used.

  • gamefreakgirl

    does anyone know the exact date that we could play back online?… i am going CRAZY bc i cant play online with my friends and this has ruined my 4 day weekend :(

  • simonvobes

    I just want some answers and information! I don’t care about the discussions about Sony vs Microsoft and all the talk of quality this and that! A customer is a customer …. period! What I expect as a customer is quality service and that includes updates and a reasonable explanation with regards to MY personal information and MY quality of service!! That includes information that IS information, not some type of fob off excuse that something is down! WE KNOW ITS DOWN!!!! We want to know why, how and when the service will be resumed and from SONY NOT all the blogs/twitters/facebook msgs and google news trash that half the time are just rumors and rubbish from a load of nobheads that haven’t got anything else to waste their time on!!!

  • http://digitaldementia.wordpress.com DigitalDementia

    @jayfrayhtc whose to say that Sony won’t compensate us for the downtime? It is still an inconvenience to their user base not to mention all of the games that require online to play (thanks to stupid security measures out of Sony’s control) not to mention did you honestly expect DCUO to be free? It’s a MMO and most people aren’t too cheap to pay the money for a game they have a high interest in. Take WoW for example over 7 million players at $15 a month. Also your theory makes me laugh “I switched to xbox because of a five day outage, no netflix, and pay $60 a year for online but refuse to pay a monthly subscription for a game I enjoy and want to play”

    For starters you could have taken $15 and went to walmart and picked up a VGA cable and hooked up to your tv problem solved, but no you go the route of getting a different console that has had more server and network blackouts than Sony? That’s hilarious.

    Secondly you’ll pay $60 a year for XBOX Live but not $15 a month for DCUO? Even better since you have an XBOX 360 now and probably will until 2014 that’s 5 years of paying for xbox live 60×5= $300 that’s strange… a lifetime membership for DCUO for the PS3 is $134 hmm… good buy bro.

  • ravingmadwatcher

    I actually agree with @DigitalDementia – I would rather have the peace of mind knowing that the firmware was safe and reliable than gripe about the free service outage.

    The fact that people would negate their online details to backdoor attacks rather than play their favourite online game beggars’ belief.
    I am by no means a fanboy – Sony could be more vocal about the problem and the service outage but I wouldn’t say they have risked negative public opinion by shutting down to rebuild the service; if anything it is an incredibly bold (and somewhat unprecedented) move by a company so large.

    All the people griping about switching to an Xbox 360 because they can’t play their favourite MMO are just butthurt little kiddies who probably already own an Xbox anyway.
    700 million+ customers use this service and I doubt a few dissenters will bring down shareholder profits.

  • ravingmadwatcher

    I actually agree with @DigitalDementia – I would rather have the peace of mind knowing that the firmware was safe and reliable than gripe about the free service outage.

    The fact that people would negate their online details to backdoor attacks rather than play their favourite online game beggars’ belief.
    I am by no means a fanboy – Sony could be more vocal about the problem and the service outage but I wouldn’t say they have risked negative public opinion by shutting down to rebuild the service; if anything it is an incredibly bold (and somewhat unprecedented) move by a company so large.

    All the people griping about switching to an Xbox 360 because they can’t play their favourite MMO are just butthurt little kiddies who probably already own an Xbox anyway.
    70 million+ customers use this service and I doubt a few dissenters will bring down shareholder profits.

  • http://thatsyouropinion1.wordpress.com heyitstna

    @simonvobes

    you know honestly they don’t technically owe us any explanation. They have any right to down a service that is free and open to the public…

    Calm down a little, try reading a book or leaving your room. Their explanation is that they are updating the service anyways. Its right there on their website. What else do you want to know? They know they need to update and revamp the network and thats what they are doing, plain and simple. I’m pretty sure with all the complaining everyone is doing that they will get right back on their PSN and start playing like nothing ever happened. Everyone sounds like a spoiled baby. Its a free service. No diff from you being on your computer but you can’t log on facebook cause they’re doing maintenance or any other site for that matter. It doesn’t last forever for goodness sake, you’ll get over it. Cry me a river…

  • http://kennycheeze.wordpress.com kennycheeze

    lol all of you are such nerddds its halarious…i mean the ones that are crying and complaining about an issue which is going to be resolved in a matter of a few more days if not by tonight…PSN is not charging you guys for nothing…do you actually think a billion dollar franchise like sony would risk losing their more cherised clients like yourselves…? its all free because we just connect the ethernet wire. They dont charge for playing online…they obviously had some major class A problem which needed maintenance so your pleasurable playing could resume normally and never fuck up again…jus be patient u nerds.

  • http://drazsmoker.wordpress.com drazsmoker

    WARNING. . . i just got off the phone with playstation network and there saying NO COMPSONSATION FOR PLAYSTATION NETWORK BEING DOWN AND STILL NO ETA WHEN IT WILL BE FIXED. im thinking of tradeing in my ps3 for a xbox if they dont give us somthing for the headache this is causeing i think the rest of you should too maybe then playstation and sony will learn to keep there customers in the loop and happy. i dont like the xbox but its better then no online games at all

  • mysorrowendz

    @DigitalDementia I obviously touched a nerve considering you felt compelled to reply twice to one comment I made earlier. There are many holes in your argument. 1) Sony’s not a detective in a murder investigation, 2) we can all speculate but the truth is none of us know the truth. That being said I actually agree with you that Sony did the right thing by shutting down, I never said otherwise. I just don’t agree with how they’ve handled informing us. Look 5 days later and we’re still arguing PSN speculation. That’s my point. To be honest I’m not much of an “online” gamer. PSN being down hardly effects me and at the very least I can just play 360. I say something negative about Sony and you get offended, It’s kinda funny.

  • http://regularjoeblogs.wordpress.com regularjoeblogs

    FBI looking to send out arrest warrants to people DDoS using LOIC. I think a whole nation of bored American Xbox owners just shat their pants…. Wait till mom finds out what you have been doing online when the feds come a knocking…

  • http://alisabishop.wordpress.com kisakisa

    @drazsmoker
    Compensation for what? You don’t pay for any online services, and the stuff you purchase through the PSN should be available even when offline.
    It’s ridiculous you assume that Sony should give you something for their service being down when you never gave them anything to use it in the first place.

  • http://zeuss420.wordpress.com zeuss420

    + Posted by Patrick Seybold // Sr. Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media

    “An external intrusion on our system has affected our PlayStation Network and Qriocity services. In order to conduct a thorough investigation and to verify the smooth and secure operation of our network services going forward, we turned off PlayStation Network & Qriocity services on the evening of Wednesday, April 20th. Providing quality entertainment services to our customers and partners is our utmost priority. We are doing all we can to resolve this situation quickly, and we once again thank you for your patience. We will continue to update you promptly as we have additional information to share.”

    They know there’s a problem, and they are fixing it. Period. lol

  • http://kingofpshome.wordpress.com pshomeaddict

    Ok you guys have really good points! Yes anyone can go a week without gaming online, but who’s to say it won’t be longer than that? Yes, I’m happy that Sony shut down the network, because of the simple fact that I have lots of psn network accounts. But someone said that there is more to the story than we kno, and I agree 100%. I think that Sony should be updating the psn users every 24 hours. It is not right that WE, the users and customers who mad Sony today get little to no information. We haven’t got as much as a time frame. I think that Sony needs to update and tell us more information everyday, because Sony can, and will lose lots of customers behind this. I think that by Thursday, April 28, this SHOULD be fixed. I forgot to say, someone basically said “why are we complaining when online is free”. Well let me ask and tell you something. Yes it is free and that is a plus, but netflix isn’t free and you get charged for that every month no matter if psn is on or not, I mean 8 bucks isn’t a lot of money, but who’s wantsnto pay for something there not using. And more than half of people who own a ps3 get it to play online. So with that being said, anyone who owns a ps3 and paid for there’s has every right to be upset, frustrated, and impatient. They can be upset for the simple fact thatvthey only use it for online play, frustrated because they keep hearing the same stupid automatic answering service when they call Sony, and impatient because of the simple fact that the automatic service did say and I quote “this can possible take up to 24 hours to a full two days”. So Sony needs to update us users more frequently, and let us know what is hoeing on.

  • http://kingofpshome.wordpress.com pshomeaddict

    Oh and all of my accounts I have has my credit card on them

  • http://darkwarrior42.wordpress.com darkwarrior42

    I have to laugh at all the people who say “you have no right to complain, you’re not paying for this.” It is a well known aspect of the PS3 that it provides free online access, and this is often used as a point of comparison. For many people, it is the difference between getting an XBox and getting a PS3. Some of those people may care more about the lack of fee, and might not care if they have to lose a week. Others might care much more about being able to get online, and are simply going with the free option because why not get it for less if you can?

    The point that people like @DigitalDementia never seem to bring up is that this isn’t some minor freebie thrown it. It’s plastered all over their site. “PlayStation®Network is your all-access pass to a world of entertainment. Get games, movies, TV series and community all in one place. PlayStation®Network is full of exclusives like new games, add-ons and video and, best of all, it’s free for everyone.”

    You don’t forfeit your right to be *legitimately* upset if a feature of a product that you paid good money to use goes offline without warning. That they took it offline to fix security holes is mitigated by the fact that they should not have let those security holes go live in the first place. Even if you assume that it was unavoidable, the last online company I dealt with that had a security flaw like this fixed within one day, from “finding what the flaw is” to “executing a fix to close it”.

    For many, it’s not about being a whiner who simply wants to complain for the sake of complaining, as some here have implied. It’s about a promised service of the product being made unavailable without sufficient prior notice, without effective communication, and without any detailed discussion as to why it’s happening or how long it will be down. It is entirely possible to agree with their decision to fix the problem, and still be unhappy with them as a result of the situation, even to the point of switching platforms.

    If it will in fact be Sony’s position in the future that “we don’t have to be professional in our dealings with our customers regarding PSN because it’s free, and they should be grateful just to have it”, that’s sufficient cause to not deal with Sony at all. And like it or not, fixing a security flaw isn’t professional any more than a cable company keeping their cable online is professional. That’s part of the job. Being professional about it is all in how you handle it, and so far it’s been handled poorly. I’m not going to credit them for doing something that they are all but required to do (protect their system’s security), particularly when it is quite possible they should have been prepared for this ahead of time.

  • http://shawnmal1.wordpress.com shawnmal1

    I play games on the psn all the time. That being said, some of you guys really need to GO OUTSIDE!! Games are ment to be fun and played on rainy days…your life should not revolve around them.

  • kingz143

    Free is no excuse for it being down for almost 6 days with no explanation on why it happened.

  • http://nevecremnant.wordpress.com nevecremnant

    May I just say, (all of you knowing I own both a PS3 and Xbox 360), Xbox has never had a massive down time, and they also inform their customers. I think most down time was 2 days? I could be wrong. It’s amazing how I decided to turn on my PS3 to see all this, I think I’m happy to be on Xbox right now.

  • kingz143

    no excuse

  • http://xenwall.wordpress.com xenwall

    Please oh please will everyone stop blaming Anonymous! Just because something involving computers broke doesn’t mean Anon did it and it doesn’t mean you can go wagging your self righteous fingers at a group that you don’t agree with. Anonymous has denied being involved and you know what? That probably means just that, that they weren’t involved! When Anon wants to make a point, they make a point and lay claim to the message. They are “Anonymous” to begin with so there’s no point in hiding behind a denial when they’re already hiding behind their namesake. I will agree that Sony is in hot water and that serious mistakes have been made but the overall “Sony knew about this” and “Anonymous did it” finger wagging is nothing more than paranoid conspiracy theory. Yes, it sucks, and yes, Sony is being cryptic, but can we save the rabid accusations for the aliens and UFOs?

  • kingz143

    Alot of you have a point and alot of you just sound like fan boys. if we’re arguing about how much it sucks not to be able to get back online after waiting 5 days for a explanation on why it went down in the first place then we matter as well hang ourselves cause will never come.

  • http://terragreyling.wordpress.com terragreyling

    Unfortunately it seems everyone is arguing over definitions.
    Free = provided without, or not subject to, a charge or payment

    Does the PSN qualify as free under the definition? No it does not, you have to pay for a PS3 to get access to it. I know it sounds obvious but it is a SELLING point for Sony. The PSN is included in the price of the PS3, that is why the initial PS3′s cost so much more than the other consoles to get the network up and going.

    I initially purchased mine for Linux system that I can run all my old NES games, nostalgia has its own reward, as that was a selling point PS3 used too. But Sony took it away. As far as shutting down the network, Sony has known of those errors for months and just put bandaids on them with out fixing the information.

    If someone was to still our credit card numbers, they would have done it already. You don’t hold up a bank to take out the security guard and then come back the next day to take the money!

    As far as 360, yes some down time occasionally, and $100 a year for four on-line accounts can be expensive (family), but from initial investment in the 360 they have not taken away anything. All the things I purchased the 360 for it can still do, and of course more with updates.

    Sony has already cut me in the past with other actions, and delaying any information, ANY, is a giant screw you to the customer base. Leaving us to wonder if there is an issue with home networks or anything else is just wrong. It is just more salt on the wound.

    I enjoy PS because of the exclusive games and blu-ray functionality. But overall the corporation has a long history of screwing over their customers. From the DMS that destroyed the security of our computer operating sytems to the denying of services that were promised when we purchased our systems. Will I continue to play PS3, of course, but only the exclusive ones. I try to limit how much money I give these guys.

  • kingz143

    is it okay to keep us waiting cause its free. hell no! yeah i’ve been a PS3 owner since it first came out and yeah i could admit it possibly is the greatest system to hit the shelves. but after being a victim of having to wait for a reasonable explanation of what’s going shows how important we really are as users who support sony by making profits grow every year that goes by for them. yeah its free but is it worth having no services at the moment because of it. i rather pay $50 a year for services that come with guarantee if thats what it takes. what’s $50 a year “$8 dollars a month” big deal i pay $80 a month just to have internet services. yeah XBOX went down also but they not only reimbursed their users but they also guarantee you first hands on new and exclusive add ons and map packs which in my opinion is worth $50 a year on top of that first hands for exclusive services they also service you with XMB voice chat cross over and also off free huge tournaments in all areas for real cash for example Madden and Black Ops hade $40,000 tournaments when the games first came out. what does sony have to offer. a blu ray player which most people rarely use because of digital media being downloaded online for example FREE, sony offers free internet access which really doesn’t help much because PS3 systems don’t even have the newer technology we need to surf as we was surfing on a PC or MAC for example PS3 systems don’t have upgraded FIREFOX, WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER, NO CONVERTED STORAGE SYSTEM WHICH DENIES 99% OF MEDIA OR SOFTWARES THAT ARE NEEDED TO PLAY OR USE SERVICES. so would i rather pay $50 a year for better smoother services? HELL YEAH!!!!!!

  • mysorrowendz

    @ darkwarrior42 Well said! That’s exactly the point I tried to make with Digital. It’s simply bad business on Sony’s part. Sony’s severe lack of informing us the consumers is what I find negative. However I’m not surprised, given their history with their own business associates.

  • kingz143

    so you tell me what systems should be taken more seriously? i loved sony but after shutting down its users for almost 6 days with no explanation outrages me. they could’ve dealt with this when they first got attacked 2 weeks ago. early detection would’ve kept its users online with maybe a few maintains recalls which would have kept alot of sony fans happy and committed

  • http://drevious.wordpress.com drevious

    it sucks that all of the weakest people are complaining and yet its the same thing wen playing watever game they are playing wether it is cod mortal kombat anything so how about jus shut up and wait to get beat wen the network is finished

  • mysorrowendz

    kingz143 has a good and valid points too! When Microsoft has had a few small issues they not only informed and explained but compensated well. PSN is a free feature and that’s nice but I’m still a customer and should be treated as such, not brushed off.

  • kingz143

    @digital you need to get off the fan boy wagon and see the light. sony is very wrong for keeping its users offline and all they have to say is thank you for your patients. WOW if i read a update like that again i’m going to start a protest and open a can of woop azz on these money hungry bastards

  • kingz143

    @mysorrow doesn’t it suck to be offline for 6 days for a issue that should’ve been taken care of 2 weeks ago. wouldn’t you rather pay $50 a year for services that are more reliable and that you actually get a human response of the situation instead of getting a computer response of “THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS” it seems like every update repeatedly is informing us of effort of them getting it back up with no ETA or explanation LOL! and then it follows up with a annoying “THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS”. every update same time everyday 8pst. LOL! but remember @mysorrow thank you for your patients

  • kingz143

    and once the network is back up i’m going to convince my PSN friends to switch over to XBOX

  • kingz143

    anyone here?

  • http://dragondagger.wordpress.com dragondagger

    It’s funny reading about how all these people are pissed that Sony is protecting us by knocking down the PSN. You all act like it;s the end of the world when it isn’t. I myself have a PS3 and yet I didn’t miss it at all this past week while it has been down. Yeah it woulda been nice to hop online and play but there are other things to do like go outside and get some air or go to dinner and a movie or something maybe even read a book. Just because it is offline it isn’t the end of life as we know it to exist. Go do something else with your spare time and get over it. They will turn it back on when it is ready and safe.

  • http://kingofpshome.wordpress.com pshomeaddict

    Kings has very good point! I mean, Sony could at least sent out a message to your email stating in the network would be going down and why, and giving use at least a time frame. For the guy who said “games are ment to be played on rainy days and out live shouldn’t revolve around”. Maybe thats the case fornyou, but you never kno, someone could be on house arrest, maybe playing the game makes people relax, maybe some don’t have a social life, so don’t be judgmental my guy.

  • http://kingofpshome.wordpress.com pshomeaddict

    Whoa kings! Your going to far now friend, I know that Sony isn’t handling this situation all right, but no. I wouldn’t want to pay anything, I spent over 300 dollars on ps home already! Tellin your friends to switch to xbox isn’t going to solve anything. Some of your friends might delete you for saying that! Lol

  • http://cyberxion.wordpress.com cyberxion

    I don’t play my PS3 online, so I couldn’t care less that the service is down. I get that people do care, and I understand why they care, but for me it’s a non-issue. That said, the way that Sony is handling this is pretty ridiculous. All people are asking for is a little transparency, and while it’s understood that they can’t reveal too much due to the sensitive nature of the problem, not really saying anything of substance for nearly a week just doesn’t cut it. Sure users don’t pay to access the PSN, but the service’s value is woven in to the cost of the box. Why would Sony tout the feature so heavily in its advertising if they didn’t believe that its inclusion adds value to the machine? So I ask, is it really too much to ask that Sony throw its users a bone? I don’t think so.

  • http://gundamgx.wordpress.com gundamgx

    If Sony has their reasons for shutting down the PSN. Well thats fine. If it ultimately makes it better. Why complain. Its only for a few days. I came from a time when there was no online gaming. So count your selfs fucking lucky.

  • mysorrowendz

    @kingz143 It does suck. I mean I saw my service was down so I just jumped on my xbox. No biggie, but I did have a few movies from PSN on download that i’m still waiting on LOL. I’m a gamer not a fan boy like some people posting. I’m just looking at the facts. Sony shut the network down, fine. Should they have? Yes!! I mean It’s their job to, but some people are putting them on a pedestal that it was a valiant effort to protect their costumers. No It’s cause the don’t want 70 million lawsuits. can you imagine that kind of fall out. They really should’ve taken care of it 2 weeks ago anyway. The way they’re handling it is shady and we don’t need details but if I can’t use my online service featured on my PS3 than I deserve more than searching on (forums) to find an answer. “THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS” lol really is that all you got? Was there even an apology in there somewhere? no one get me wrong I’m not angry, I just find Sony’s arrogance funny.

  • nwalker13

    I guarantee that Psn will no longer be free after this. It’s a conspiracy lol saying someone hacked it and now for security purposes they will have to enforce a subscription. Mock my words folks

  • http://negative0ne33.wordpress.com negative0ne33

    If it came down to it(paying for service) i’d have to say no.. i’ve only had the ps3 for like 2 months and it’s been off more than on.. If this is an example of how sony operates than what am i paying for? Plus i only bought it for gt5 and it’s a horrible online experience, forza blows it away.. But if it was going to be more safe secure and reliable then maybe it’s be worth it. really sick of getting raped in mag..

  • http://kingofpshome.wordpress.com pshomeaddict

    Shut up nwalker don’t jinx it dude

  • kingz143

    again PSN services are like the dollar menu from McDonalds “EASY ON THE POCKETS BUT QUICK TO GO DOWN AND ASKING FOR MORE”. guys wouldn’t you rather pay for your services so you could actually get some real customer support. i’ve never been a Microsoft fan but we should really consider offering payments for better services if it takes that to get it going. i’m a huge CALL OF DUTY fan and nothing bothers me more but to see XBOX users get the map packs a month before PS3 users get it and to make things worst they get live tournaments which involve cash just for being the best at it. MOTIVATION?! hell yeah! what has SONY offered us since NOVEMBER 2006? here’s the facts: 1Q. BLU RAY PLAYERS 1A. WHO EVER BUYS VERY EXPENSIVE HD DISC WHEN FINDING FREE MOVIE DOWNLOADING AND STREAMING IS AS EASY AS ACCEPTING THE TERMS FOR NETFLIX “$7 DOLLARS/MONTH. 2Q. WEB BROWSING 2A. ITS AS BAD AS SURFING THE INTERNET ON YOUR LOW END CELL PHONE “METRO PCS” THE WEB BROWSING HAS SUCH LIMITED SPACE TO WORK WITH FOR EXAMPLE: NO FIREFOX, A DOWNGRADED WINDOWS SOFTWARE, NO STORAGE LOCATION FOR MEDIA LIKE FOLDERS, ETC. WITHOUT THOSE PROGRAMS SURFING ON YOUR PS3 WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME. 3Q. FREE ONLINE GAMING 3A. SUCH A GREAT FEATURE BUT AS YOU ALREADY KNOW IF YOU ALREADY OWN A PS3. ITS FULL OF LAG, DISCONNECTIONS, UNLIMITED GAMER TAGS “WHICH AFFECTS GAMERS WHO PLAY WAR GAMES LIKE COD, BF, SOCOM, KZ3, ETC.” BECAUSE ITS A FREE ONLINE GAMING SERVICE PLAYERS ARE ALLOWED TO CREATE AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF GAMER TAGS WHICH ALLOW THEM TO “BOOST, HACK, GLITCH, CHEAT, ABUSE, ETC.” SINCE THE NETWORK IS FREE GUESS WHAT? us as gamers have to suffer because the security and response to our “FREE” network was to weak and must’ve been monitored by a CPU and not a actual HUMAN support team. like they say “YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR”.

  • http://warthogpsn.wordpress.com warthogpsn

    Instead of posting complaints about the PSN being down like most people, I thought I would post some useful info.

    ** Yes Netflix Works – and in fact I have been using it throughout most of the time that the PSN has been down. I first figured out how to use it on Saturday morning, but it may have been accessible the whole time.

    When you launch Netflix, within a few seconds you are prompted to sign in to the Playstation network. you have to press X and let it attempt to connect. After it fails to connect, press the O to go back. You will see the Neflix landing page in the background and it may ask you to try and connect again. Click X to let it try and when it fails, again hit the O to go back. This will leave you with the normal Neflix landing page and it works just as it always has.

    I have watched many movies since Saturday, and tested it again just now before submitting this post.

    Warthog

  • kingz143

    understand?

  • http://kodequirks.wordpress.com criassk

    @dragondagger You’re clearly a casual gamer, but what about semi-competitive and competitive gamers? Pro gamers, and aspiring-pro gamers?

    The MLG Black Ops tournament in Dallas was held on the PS3. We’re talking professional gamers, some of which actually do nothing but play video games for a living. You wouldn’t tell me “so you can’t work this week, just go outside and play man”. While I accept that this is no big deal for you, you must accept that it is a big deal for some people.

    The fact of the matter is, PSN and “free online play” is a major part of the PlayStation package, a major part of what Sony sells when they sell a PS3. People aren’t demanding the service be brought up right this second, they just want a tiny little hint that the company gives a rat’s behind about them. A tiny bit of transparency, updates on how well progress appears to be going, estimates on how long this will last.

    I write software for a living. When there’s an outage, priority one is to get an ETA. We diagnose, propose short and long-term fixes, estimate… and tell our customers as soon as we can when their service will be back. And yes, some of our software is free – we STILL give our customers that service. It’s professionalism. Period.

  • kingz143

    i speak the truth and i wish i would’ve never gave away my XBOX. read my above comments and see where we stand as consumers in this money infested corporation. please leave comments

  • http://hawkeyepatriot.wordpress.com freemyass

    What a deal! Free network, but hackable free-grade security. Just give us your credit card info. Nice scam, Sony.

  • http://hawkeyepatriot.wordpress.com freemyass

    What a deal! Free network, but hackable free-grade security. Just give us your credit card info. Nice scam, Sony.

  • http://yumsick1.wordpress.com 0yum0

    I was bummed like all you out there when I found out I couldn’t play COD and that the PSN was down, but when I contemplated more about it, I thought it was actually a good thing for me and probably for most of you out there. It’s good to have a retreat from your PS3, Xbox or computer once in a while. Maybe it’s time to hang out with your real friends or family and have real conversations instead of talking through your headsets with your www friends. If you don’t have any friends besides your “so called” friends online who live in another city, than you should dump your system or computer and go out and meet new people. I actually know of a few almost 30 year olds who spend all their time playing online and who don’t have any real friends. It’s sad, because they are still single and still live at home with their parents (that sad).
    PS will explain everything after they figure out this problem. So in the meantime you should appreciate the free time you have away from your PS3, get some air, play some real ball, get a drink with some friends, meet some new people(maybe get a girlfriend or boyfriend),and know your family once again.

  • mammalman

    i’m a total outsider to all of this but it seems weird to me that everyone is defending it as a ‘free’ service. you may not pay a monthly fee but you paid hundreds of dollars for the machine expecting it to perform this service. you don’t pay a monthly fee for the controller to send a signal to the ps3 when you push buttons either but if that stopped working you wouldn’t say ‘oh well it was a free service.’

  • http://eurotank.wordpress.com eurotank

    You guys are some of the most pathetic excuses for human being I think I’ve ever seen. I hope it doesnt come back on for weeks so you people are forced to get off your ass for a while and do something besides stare at a screen. I mean, I love playing video games just as much as the next guy, but wow! Have more to do with your lives than video games! Yikes. Go get a girlfriend or maybe a job!

    Now that thats out of the way. PSN is free. Therefore, we get what we pay for. Oh right, FREE! You people should be thankful that we dont shell out 30 bucks a month to play a game! Be thankful that your credit card information and passwords are secure! Believe it or not, your life WILL go on without games for a few days or even a few weeks OR even forever! I know, I know, its hard to believe but assure you, its true.

    Go outside and get some sun. Some of you sound like you havent seen it in a few months.

    *Cheers

  • http://kodequirks.wordpress.com criassk

    @eurotank Your complete lack of tolerance and understanding for your fellow man makes you one of the most pathetic people -I- have seen, but I’m going to extend you a tiny bit of understanding in this case. Your mindset is the mainstream one, even if it’s horribly self-centered and conformist.

    Let’s change the scenario. Let’s say I bought an eBook reader, since “reading” is a culturally acceptable activity. When I buy a book, I get continual free access to that book. For some weird reason (this is hypothetical afterall) let’s say I’m not allowed to access any of the books I’ve spent good money on for a week or two, and the company provides me no explanation as to why. Is that acceptable?

    How about the parks. My city provides many parks “free” to me. They are free, just like PSN, in that I don’t pay a monthly fee. Let’s say every park across my city get’s shut down, but the city provides me zero explanation as to why it’s really down or how much longer I have to wait. Is that acceptable?

    To take your over-exaggerated world-view, I have a friend who spends considerable time doing scale modeling. The things he and his fellow hobbyists make are staggeringly realistic and very well done. What right would I have to walk up to him and say “Your hobby is worthless, you should be able to go a year without doing it and not even complain”. That’s just not right, or fair, to a fellow human being. Grow up.

    PSN is not “free”, it’s included in the purchase price of the PS3. PSN is a deciding factor in many people’s purchase. Just because you don’t deem gaming a socially acceptable activity does not mean Sony gets a free pass to treat their customers poorly.

  • http://palerider25.wordpress.com palerider25

    The problem is everyone’s PS3 network is down. Big deal.
    Company’s have certain protocols that keep information safe and the public don’t need to know.
    What we do know is all we need to know right now our information is safe and they are rebuilding the network due to hackers to make it SAFER for us. What you need to do is thank the hackers for screwing your game play up.
    Its just my 2 cent’s worth

  • http://huntress2011.wordpress.com huntress2011

    Absolutely blows my mind that everyone is whining about the PSN being down. It’s a FREE service! You’d sell your PS3 and buy an inferior system such as an xBox because a FREE service is down and you can’t play your games online? Are you serious!? Would you moan & complain this much if Facebook went down indefinately?! Would you sell your computer because of it? Would you “lose faith” in the internet? You must be joking. Why are you spending so much time on the PSN that having it go down for a few days throws your life in to a turmoil? Go outside, ride a bike, play a sport, spend some time with your family, friends, pets. For God’s sake, get a life!

  • http://swirlstar.wordpress.com swirlstar

    @DigitalDementia

    You are obviously in the same boat as everyone else with regards to the information you have collated and or been given to you. You are “voicing” opinions about speculation.

    You are obviously very upset that the PS network is down and the only way you can make yourself feel better is to channel your frustration here. You have attacked fellow bloggers and even Microsoft with no real justification.

    Your network is down, I’m not even going to speculate why, but its down. People are frustrated, why should’nt they be, if they want to rant and rave they can, don’t flame people just for being upset.

    Answer this question for me, when do you thinks its acceptable for people to complain, five days / five weeks / five months? If a consumer buys a product and then it no longer works until it is fixed, they have a right to moan until it is fixed, even if it’s a free service.

    Anyway you needed to be put in your place, I’ll go and play Portal 2 now online!!!!

  • http://churri001thoughts.wordpress.com churri001

    Everyone rants “PlayStation if a free service” but what about those of us who pay monthly subscriptions for games such as DC online? Lets see hows PSN’s “quality” and “consumer care” comes into play then when asked to be reimbursed for lost days..

  • http://jirenicus.wordpress.com jirenicus

    PSN is part the user experience that you paid for when you bought your console.

    The fact that Sony haven’t gotten it together yet is a massive FAIL.

    Sony’s lack of communication to users about what’s actually going on is another FAIL.

  • http://hades252.wordpress.com hades252

    I can’t believe so many people are complaining about this. Most of which are pretty weak bases for having complaints at all.

    1. Why don’t we know why its down?

    - WE DO. It’s been stated several times that PSN was shutdown to protect the users information. Including email addresses and credit card information.

    2. PSN is free.
    -That’s really all that needs to be said on the matter.

    3. I’m still paying for my online subscriptions like Netflix.

    -Netflix is not ONLY available for use on the PS3. It offers streaming over the internet on your computer, on the Xbox 360, AND on the Wii. It also allows you to rent dvds from them through the mail. It’s hardly an excuse to complain about PSN. You didn’t buy your PS3 for the Netflix, it wasn’t even always avaiable on the PS3, the fact that it is, is just a nice plus.

    - What about my DCUO and other MMO accounts!?
    –They have websites online, you can go there and freeze your account until PSN is back up. Stop the payments until you can play again. IT’S THAT SIMPLE.

    4. It was abrupt, why didn’t they tell us about it!?

    -Well, assuming it was shut down because of an external intrusion, then immediate shut down would be the safest way to stop the intruders from gaining access to anyones personal information. Do you expect anyone to tell you they’re going to pull the fire alarm before they actually pull the fire alarm? No, of course not.

    5. Why haven’t they told us when they’ll be back up?

    -Presumably they’re rebuilding most if not all of the network. Who knows exactly how long that could take. Worst still, while they’re busy rebuilding the system, they have to search to be sure that none of their 70+ million users have had their information compromised. Rebuilding the system alone would take awhile, but then searching the accounts of over 70 million people as well?

    6. I’m going to trade in my PS3 for an XBOX 360!!!!111!!!one!!!!eleven!!11!

    -That’s nice. Go do it and quit b1tch1ng about PS3s then. It won’t be your problem anymore will it? Enjoy paying for your online game play.

    Personally, I’m satisfied knowing that Sony is concerned with keeping my information confidential. I can live without playing PS3 games online for awhile. Not like there aren’t a million other things to keep me preoccupied.

  • http://kodequirks.wordpress.com criassk

    @hades252

    “Who knows Who knows exactly how long that could take”

    Nobody asked for “exactly”, they asked for estimates. I forgive you for not understanding the industry Sony is participating in.

    As someone who works in that industry, I assure you they HAVE those estimates. Management DEMANDS those estimates. If you’d like a more detailed reason as to why I’m certain they have them, I could give them, but I don’t want to tl;dr again.

    In the meantime, I’ll keep paying for my XBox subscription. It’s cheap, and their handling of their large outage back in 2008 was far more professional than this gong-show Sony’s got going.

  • http://palerider25.wordpress.com palerider25

    What we all really need to know is that they kkept are personal information SAFE. a hacker screwed up all of our game play NOT SONY.

  • http://ccibball50.wordpress.com ccibball50

    I for one play only one game. that game is DC Universe Online. I paid about $60 for the game and I pay a monthly subscription to play the game. The game is impossible to play without the PSN up and running. This is something I am charged for and requires something that is offered. I have a right to complain about the PSN service which is not free to me.

  • http://bigtoedaddy66.wordpress.com bigtoedaddy66

    Playstation network still down after 5 days, Black. op’s is screaming my name!! with all the playstation boffins you must have on your staff in firstly surprised that you security was so slack, I mean it’s not like 70 million people use the network with the credit card and personal details!! oh sorry they do!! shock horror! I bet x-box are laughing there arse’s off every hour that Psn network is down!!

  • kingz143

    For one stop telling other people to go outside and get a life. You sound like a idiot with no justification. For two people do have lives but having options other then going outside is also beneficial and rewarding. Third you sound like a “SONY FAN BOY”. If you have a very occupied schedule then get to it and let the public consumers express how they feel about the situation. That’s why this blog was created right? Everybody deserves to be informed about their personal belonging without having to wait a whole week and counting for a answer to the situation. I have a career that pays very well. I have a wife and real life friends. Stop with the get a life accusation. You sound stupid. we have options and we have the right and deserve to be angry and frustrated with how SONY dealt with us as customers.

  • kingz143

    I would rather stick a needle in my eye then to read another update that explains absolutely nothing to what’s really going on behind SONY HEADQUATERS. My patience is running low and this might be the last day I’m going to spare time consuming with SONY and its NETWORK. Free online services isn’t a excuse to keep what lies beneath SONY and its employees a secret. The public deserves to know by now or I would really advise you as respected consumers to look at the possibility of switching over to a more reliable gaming system. Other than paying for a gaming subscription to play your favorite titles online. I think in my opinion it’s worth switching over to the “MICROSOFT XBOX360″. It’s actually a great platform to play your favorite online titles without having to deal with cheaters who take advantage of the free online gaming feature that SONY provides to its customers. What as gamers do you think about the possibility of trying a different source of online gaming to enjoy your selves as customers not slaves to SONY’S trade?

  • http://ironsol24.wordpress.com ironsol24

    all i would like, just like the other 70 mil psn members is a time frame when they think that they will be able to get it running. shutting down the PSN was the smartest thing that they could do.

  • kingz143

    Here’s a example of what MICROSOFT offers to its customers who pay for their online gaming feature.

    1. A staff who keeps it professional and convenient when it comes down to situations like this. MICROSOFT informs its consumers with a full detail explanation to why your NETWORK was brought down unexpectedly and is always followed with a estimated time when your services would be back up and running.

    2. The services come with EXCLUSIVE access to “ADD-ONS, MAP PACKS, GAMING MATERIALS and SERVICES, etc. For example “CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS”. EXCLUSIVE access to their new MAP PACKS for in which the gamer has access to a month before any other gaming system could effort from the features that are supplied by the publisher.

    3. XMB CROSS OVER CHAT features which allow gamers to chat with any of their friends at any given time during game play. Which means if I’m playing for example “MORTAL KOMBAT” and my fellow friend is playing “KILLZONE 3″ we could chat amongst one another at any given time. Up to six CROSS OVER CHAT rooms are allowed at one time.

    4. EXCLUSIVE access to live online and offline tournaments which involve cash for your efforts to participate.

    5. Only one gamer tag per subscription. Which means no “BOOSTING, HACKING, GLITCHING, CHEATING and ABUSING the gaming NETWORK”. One gamer tag means less likely someone would be willing to get their one gamer tag banned because of harmful activities.

    6. Real life customer support teams. It helps to know that you have a online team who cares and protects its customers from situations like this before it happens. Humans correct issues faster then computer program services do.

    Still think it’s worth waiting for SONY to drop the bomb shell on us?

  • http://eurotank.wordpress.com eurotank

    @criassk – You misinterpret my message and you basically just killed your own examples by saying the PSN is not free. Parks are certainly not free – Taxes – and of course the charge for the network is in the cost of the system but its far less than what I’d pay for XBOX.Regardless, you still missed my point. I even said, “I like playing video games just as much as the next guy.” I’ll admit, i’ve played games for hours on end with my friends til by eyes were red and I was totally exhausted. Sure, who hasn’t right? But its comments like, “Omg, i’m so bored. There is nothing to do but play PS3. I hate sony for going down and protecting my information. I’d rather play and give away my info.” Exaggeration? Sure. But there have been hundreds of people saying nearly this exact statement on other articles and forums. You have to admit, it makes you wonder whether time could be better spent on other activities.

    I’m still not sure why everyone is making a big deal about Sony’s “Professionalism” or lack there of i guess. Sure, they probly know a rough time of when they’ll be back online. They probly know that their security was lacking and could be compromised at any time. But lets not forget, Sony is a business. Like most multibillion dollar businesses, they’re going to think about the money and their PR first and foremost, then the customer. Thats just a fact of life and business. Customer comes first? Maybe for some. Think about how much more people would be going insane if whoever hacked them got the personal info of all 70+ million users? I’m thankful they caught it ahead of time. So the network is down for a week. Occupy yourself elsewhere for the time being. You might find a few hobby. I get the frustration, I’m dying for netflix to come back to me, but I’m not about to lose my mind because of it.

    I dont place PS3 in the “hobby” category. Sorry.

    I’m sure when everything is fully resolved, they will release info on what happened, why it took so long, whatever. I like to think that right now, they’re just trying to get it fixed and will release that info as it comes together and they can present it with a slightly more positive spin. It looks bad, obviously. But it being the first problem I’ve seen, (I;ve had my PS3 for 5 years now)I think Sony does a pretty damn good job. I;ve never had a problem with my system either. Its super old and huge and still works like a charm. I think we’re spoiled.

  • kingz143

    Who here thinks I’m wrong?

  • http://kodequirks.wordpress.com criassk

    @kingz143

    I do.

    I’m an XBox owner, I’ve had my XBox subscription over 2 years now and am not going to be getting rid of it any time soon.

    And I can say, you do NOT do Microsoft any justice by spamming hate here. Argue your point intelligently and politely, or keep out of it. My 2 cents.

  • http://hades252.wordpress.com hades252

    @Criassk

    You’re making an assumption about me. Feel free to give your complete explanation as to why you know they have a decent estimate. Saying you work in the industry and that you know they know, but that you don’t care to share why you know really just makes it look like you don’t know anything at all. I browsed your blog and assume you do, but that doesn’t change the image you’ve portrayed.

    I’d expect them to have general estimates, but that doesn’t mean the range of the estimates is small enough to effectively offer to the public. Based on their latest update, their time hasn’t been based solely on the rebuilding of the system, but on the investigation of the hacking. An investigation by an outside group.

    Regardless, I’ll concede on point #5 as it’s based on conjecture and I’d rather not get into a debate based on a point with no concrete fact.
    @kingz143

    Yes, nice having options to going outside. Clearly the best option is to cry about the loss of one of those “many” options.

    Yes. Xbox Live does have nice features. Features you PAY for. I’m not arguing whether it’s worth it or not, I’d say it is, but that doesn’t change the fact that being allowed to play with friends online for free is great as well. You can’t honestly expect to have top-class customer service for something you don’t pay for. People pay for many luxuries, if you aren’t paying why would you expect them. It’s like going to a shelter and expecting it to be a 5-star hotel.

    Feel free to switch over to Xbox, if you do PSN is no longer your issue and you can stop crying about it. Besides it sounds less like you’re worried about PSN and more about getting others to swap over to Xbox live, calling everyone that disagrees with you a sony fanboy and selling all the good features of the 360.

  • http://doubleblackliquid.wordpress.com double777

    All the talk about psn being free is bull. I paid 600.00$ for my first ps3. At that price I feel like (psn was paid for in full.) Do I miss online gaming? Yes! Am I mad about the lack of info on Sony’s behalf about the outage? Yes! But with over 250.00$ and counting invested into my system: not including a 1500.00$ HD plasma flat screen. I am in it for the long run and will not ever think about switching to Xbox 360. I love my PS3!!!! I need it to be back up and running as soon as possible.

  • http://doubleblackliquid.wordpress.com double777

    I ment 2500.00$

  • http://spontaineousmack.wordpress.com spontaineousmack

    @officialmagicpg Sorry but your comment shows that you are just a casual gamer…I DO BELIVE that PS+ members and users that subscribe to their Monthly Service’s And Media, Also GAMES like DCUO definatley Deserve some sort of Compensation. You have a Proprietary Unit with Proprietary Software/Hardware and Proprietary Online Services and the User End Floor Falls out…. = Very Bad. If the Mediumm wasn’t Digital and so NEW (GREY AREAS in LAWS), ANY OTHER BISINESS OWNER would be forced to Explain Why there Product Is Not Working as Advertised, or Why a FREE service went down in turn Affecting MANY DIFFERENT PAID SERVICES. My network goes down, I call my ISP and get a pro-rated refund on my DOWN Days! Same with W.O.W or any other ONLINE ONLY PAID SERVICE! u cannot accept Full payment and give PARTIAL SERVICE! Plus Ledgend Plan Holders 5/15/2011 if you bought DCUO on Launch then if PSN is not up what happens to our $15 off 3 mo. Discount? POOF!?!?!? if we cant renew……

    Ever Had a Computer you CANT modify (except the HDD). Software Automatically updates to REMOVE features you BOUGHT IT FOR. If it Breaks under warranty you have to buy a new one or PAY for a REFURBISHED one. (Taking my old one and CHARGING me 180 for a REFURBISHED, NOT COOL!) then the only way to GO online to chat in IM is through the same network that you pay to download from. It Goes down and now you have a FLASHY PS2 with a BlueRay Player and No Net CARD! How does sony NOT OWE US SOME SORT OF COMPENSATION.

    I love my PS3 but i will no longer be a PS+, Qriocity, or DCUO member if i cannot get a REAL answer. I am a U.S. Consumer you wanna peddle your Products here you have to Adhere to OUR LAWS….Sorry! but not really!

  • http://hcwalker58.wordpress.com hcwalker58

    IF & when your car breaks down you take it to a mechanic and wait til he fixes it. If you get sick, you’re sick til you get better. If your cable of satellite TV goes out you wait til you get scheduled for a service call. BUT when the PS3 network gets shut down you say nasty things about SONY??? Which one of you complainers can fix the network, or better yet, build one, or better yet, build a better one? Of course there’s more to it than we know – - there is ALWAYS more to EVERYTHING than we’re told… STOP being such crybabies! No offense jatfrayhtc, but I used a standard PC monitor cable to hook my laptop to my big screen tv and a standard headphone cable (mini to RCA) to get dolby digital audio to my SONY amp and have lost NOTHING from NETFLIX account because the PS3 net is down. My son, who normally plays online everyday went outside to play with his friends, or played Call of Duty locally with the same friends… He actually went over his friend’s house over the weekend that he normally plays online with. IF my financial info is compromised by this and I get ONE stinking unauthorized charge, MY BANK will take care of it, worst case, I’ll have to wait a week for a new card – boo hoo. I’ll have to use cash for a week…. maybe 10 days…. Telling us they don’t have an exact time-frame as to when they will finish fixing this IS excellent customer service. Would you rather they LIE to us like Microsoft does when they ship new software BEFORE its finished and just gives us “automatic updates”?? Those are actually the latest stuff they just got finished with… They just never told us they were selling us stuff they KNOW isn’t ready for release. BTW… we WILL be compensated by SONY for the outage… Let’s see is it six days so far??? to date they owe me six days times times the ZERO dollars I pay to use the network… SIX times ZERO = 0. I’ll enjoy it when it comes back up same as you all will. No offense intended, but engage your brains, think about what you’re saying for a hot minute… Grow up people – things break down…. Wait til you’re about 45 and hair starts growing out of your earlobes, and nose, and you lose your close up vision, then misplace your reading glasses.. LOL… sometimes life isn’t fun – but you can still make the most of it! have a nice day.

  • http://jfresh1977.wordpress.com jfresh1977

    To say that people have no right to complain because “It’s free” is bs on another level: believe it or not some of us actually *do* pay the $50/year for the PlayStation Plus service. Before this whole fiasco I was quite happy with my subscription. I was able to download several free games that I actually liked that I know I wouldn’t ever have tried if they weren’t free.

    What really steams me about all of this is to have a service hack into your network and less than 2 weeks after the fact to have it happen *AGAIN*. WTF is that all about? If you find someone hacked your network you fix it the first time and you fix it right. For a multi-billion dollar empire to have such grievous problems with their network is flabbergasting. With all the money and power Sony has this should never have happened the first time much less the second.

    I’ll be getting my info outta there as soon as the network comes back online…if it comes back online.

  • http://noahsword.wordpress.com noahsword

    how weird my 3 of my friends have play stations and they havent said a word. Sony needs to fix this customers won’t like this

  • http://oldman32.wordpress.com oldman32

    People stop saying that the psn is free! How much does a game cost? around $60.00. Games like madden, socom, mwf, etc. 70% or more of the content of these games is online. Games with out online play cost less. I just bought socom, I bought it to play online. I also have netflix and hulu plus account that i pay for and can not use right now. The other day I paid around $10.00 for some extra multiplayer map on medal of honor. Also ever bought a used game, to play online you will have to pay (paid $10.00 for madden.)
    I am not even that mad that the psn down. I just wish I could get a time estimate. They could tell me a month I would be ok just TELL me something!
    Also I would like to know that if my personal info compromised or not! I think this situation is being handled poorly mainly due to the lack of direct answers from sony.
    The worst thing for me is hulu and netflix being down. Whole reason why I did not buy an internet ready tv a month ago because my ps3 does that it does everything….most of the time.
    PS have not heard any else mention this but I was having trouble signing in about two or three day before they shut it down, would take multiple attempts to sign in. Remeber psn is not free you pay for it, just indirectly.

  • http://kodequirks.wordpress.com criassk

    @double777 No offense, but it’s silly to count your TV as a reason not to switch to XBox. I’m not saying you should switch, do what you want, but your TV would work just as good with an XBox… or at least, my 60″ LED TV does.

    @eurotank Fair points. By the by, a hobby is “an activity or interest that is undertaken for pleasure or relaxation, often in one’s spare time” (WIkipedia). You can search for other definitions if you like, but they all come to about the same. I play video games for relaxation and pleasure, and do consider it a hobby, as is my right. That you don’t consider it one, I respect, I simply have a pet-peave about people judging what I do with my time. It’s my time to do with as I please. I’m sure you can relate :)

    @hades252 Fair. I simply didn’t include a long-winded explanation for “tl;dr” reasons, but I’m happy to explain my reasoning.

    The shop I work at builds distributed web-based software, but the same principles generally apply to distributed systems regardless of the delivery method of choice. In this case, the principles relative to disaster recovery.

    Step one of an outage is always to diagnose. During an extreme emergency (one that requires overtime), most managers demand an estimate, up-front, on how long it’ll take to diagnose the problem. If that estimate changes, the team is responsible for identifying it at the earliest reasonable time, and informing the interested parties. If Sony was still diagnosing the problem, they could have been giving us this time-frame, and saying “We’ll have more information on how long the fix will take once we’ve diagnosed the exat issue”.

    Step two is usually brain-storming potential solutions. Both long-term and short-term solutions are pooled together, estimated, and prioritized. By estimated, I mean relative cost in several categories including (but not limited to) system complexity/maintainability, time to completion, and likelihood it will fix the problem. (Not all fixes are for sure.)

    Step three is usually a dialogue with stakeholders (ie: management) to determine the plan of attack. Here there’s a lot of variance – try one solution until it works, try multiple solutions at the same time, try a solution with a time-limit and backup plans, etc., it depends on the team. At this point, though, management again should have some ideas of what the potential timelines are. No gaurantees, but estimates.

    The second and third steps might be repeated several times if solutions fall through, and management is continually updated on how that affects the timeline.

    All of this really is getting at the point that at all times Management absolutely must be kept informed about how long things are going to take, otherwise they won’t know if things are taking “too long”. Transparency and openness is a sign of a professional IT team. No one (reasonable) expects the timelines to be exact, just a way of measuring how progress is going, and ALL of these timelines could have been at least made somewhat available to the public. Sure, management could have added a few hours/days/weeks as “padding”, but they could have said something.

    If their IT team wasn’t providing these estimates, I’m disapointed in the professionalism of their IT team. If their IT managers weren’t asking, I’m disapointed in them. If it was an internal decision to keep the estimates away from the public eye, I’m disapointed in whoever made that decision. In any case, SOMEONE at Sony disapointed me, on a professional level.

    That said, the estimate is out finally, and I do at least give them what respect they deserve for finally releasing it.

    (On an aside, since I write a tech blog here on wordpress, I believe I’ll likely write a post about the process I’m talking about here in the near future. I’ve been looking for a new topic, so thanks :] )

  • http://kingofpshome.wordpress.com pshomeaddict

    Guys the only thing that I’m upset about is the lack of communication and/or information that should be sent out. For those of you who think PSN is free, you are mistaken. I’ve spent over 300 $ on PSN. Don’t worry game freaks, I’m anxious too. It’ll be up and running soon. Hopefully!

  • drchris69

    Anyone want to add me when the Psn is back
    eToXiiC_VeNoM69

  • http://tonysoldan.wordpress.com tonysoldan

    How long do we have to wait? Just give us a date, time, so we won’t get bored. I don’t even have anything to worry about. My PSN account has no money in it…

  • http://tonysoldan.wordpress.com tonysoldan

    Should I buy a X-Box? Or should I wait Sony to fix PSNetwork?

  • http://palerider25.wordpress.com palerider25

    By All means wait till Sony fix’s the servers.

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